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Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Christoph1945, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. Christoph1945

    Christoph1945 Forum doner & BASC member

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    I have held membership of the BASC for only a couple months now but upon reading some of the literature and events information it all looks decidedly posh and upmarket to me. Am I misguided in my view, or am I 'perhaps' just an inverted snob? :facepalm:
     
  2. terry1001

    terry1001 Major Poster

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    yes and yes. BASC has its roots in WAGBI which was the wildfowlers association but has now broadened its coverage to all shooting sports and acts to protect our sport at the highest levels.
     
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  3. Petay

    Petay Donator

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    BASC are very much focused on shotgun shooters / field sports which tends to be game birds shooting / deer stalking but the magazine I get evey quarter always has an article or two in it about airguns.

    Ultimately you're paying for insurance through the membership and that's what really counts - have an incident and BASC will be there to support you.
     
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  4. chuggypop

    chuggypop Engaging Member

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    "Acts to protect our sport at the highest levels"? mmmmmmmm - what happened to the GL earlier this year? With their "millions of pounds of campaign funds" what actually did BASC do? Diddly Squat springs to mind.
     
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  5. Ashley keylock

    Ashley keylock Ashley keylock

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    Total waste of money imo, your paying for company cars, lunches out and big salaries
    I’m afraid it’s more of a big business now, if they really cared they would all join forces to become a force to be reckoned with
     
  6. Christoph1945

    Christoph1945 Forum doner & BASC member

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    The insurance was quite an attractive aspect to membership but the wedge of cash that the shooter has to contribute to any claim was quite eye-popping for me and I'm guessing that like a lot of insurance companies they will be looking to cut you loose at the slightest excuse.

    I will, of course, for the time being keep up my membership but intend taking up membership in the BASA and comparing one with the other.

    Any considered opinions on either or, will be taken onboard and digested.

    Many thanks for all your replies.

    Chris :thumb:
     
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  7. Spray1Mark

    Spray1Mark Pro Poster

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    As mentioned BASC has it's interests firmly planted in the upper end of the shooting community, it of course has to attract other revenue streams in order to be profitable!

    Mark my words many a deal has been done behind closed doors that do NOT reflect the interests of all types of shooting!

    One of their strengths lies in their telephone support, Mike and the others are on the ball here and the advice is of the highest quality.

    BASC, CA, MLAGB, GTA etc etc. all sit on the BSSC and decide what path to take in order to preserve the interests of their individual memberships, David Penn then sits with the authorities and thrashes it all out!

    The activities that these bodies find unnatractive in theirs and the public's eyes, i.e. the practical disciplines that may or may not involve military style firearms, be it SMLE or modern types will be the first to be thrown to the wolves in the event of any discussions, fringe style guns like the LR and MARS were victims recently as we all know.

    You cant shoot without insurance, but basically they all use the same insurer, volume of membership numbers determine how much this costs them, but IME it is usually about £15- per individual as a percentage of your membership costs.

    If you rely on legal support from BASC in the event of an issue they will also chose who to offer this to with great scrutiny.
     
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  8. mikeyhall1

    mikeyhall1 2018 & 2019 Forum Nice Guy

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    Ah I remember my first year with BASC.

    I went and bought all the tweed I could find.

    Only kidding.
     
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  9. Christoph1945

    Christoph1945 Forum doner & BASC member

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    Jeez, I thought you were going to go on and include Pluss fours and a deer stalker! :facepalm:
     
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  10. rich79

    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    They got involved with the fifty ban, but only as it was a muzzle energy ban & some of their big bore African hunting guns fell foul if it.
    The lever release got thrown under the bus
     
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  11. chuggypop

    chuggypop Engaging Member

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    I was a member around 15 years back - someone accused me of threatening them with violence (totally untrue) and the police made enquiries with my GP as to any evidence of a violent temper (I only found out because I had a friend at the surgery) - as my FAC was beginning to look in danger I rang the BASC and, too be honest, I may as well have phoned McDonalds. Insurance wise, I pay less than £30/year for £2m liability insurance whilst undertaking ANY legal fieldsport.
     
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  12. Mortimer

    Mortimer Lord Haw Haw

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    I agree with Ashley, above, that all the organisations should combine to provide a united front. But it won't happen when they're all building corporate-style empires where ultimately, IMHO, the customer becomes the least important factor.
    In more than fifty years of different sorts of shooting and membership of around a dozen driven-shooting syndicates and many paid and guest days I have yet to hear of any BASC involvement in any legal action or insurance pay out for anybody.
    Though, to be fair, I agree with Mark, that their phone advice is efficient and spot on.
     
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    Kadushu Engaging Member

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    Obviously they chase the punters with the most money to burn = hurray Henrys with their Purdeys and Range Rovers.
     
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    basc actually did a hell of a lot...they just didnt shout about it
     
  15. Spray1Mark

    Spray1Mark Pro Poster

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    "I agree with Ashley, above, that all the organisations should combine to provide a united front. But it won't happen when they're all building corporate-style empires where ultimately, IMHO, the customer becomes the least important factor"

    They do, as I said its called the BSSC, each organisation contributes by percentage in order to pay David Penns salary and expenses, he liases at Parlimentary level based on the combined wishes of the organisations, DP is a very respected individual, very well connected and extremely good legal knowledge having written part of the 98 legislation on collections, the main reason valuable and historic collectors items efectively banned by the 98 act still survive and are kept and shot to this day.
     
  16. Grey Man

    Grey Man Busy Member

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    I would like to see BASC adopt a more aggressive approach, like the American NRA.
     
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  17. r10hunter

    r10hunter Honorary Member

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    It’s a fine line jump up and down too much and you become sidelined and ignored as radical activists.

    There is only so much you can do there is just not enough shooters in this country to exert pressure on a government like in the USA.
    A British government can do as they like to shooting in the UK with little effect at the ballot box.
    All Shooting groups can ever do is hope to persuade and moderate legislation a little.
    Push too hard and you become ignored.
     
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    Popgun Donator

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    In the usa, there is a "Right" to "Bare Arms", in their constitution, & its vociferously guarded
     
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    Kadushu Engaging Member

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    We only have the right to remain silent.
     
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  20. cbrdave

    cbrdave Nuts

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    I have held BASC insurance for airgun for over 10 years.
    They are more towards the tweedy bunch I feel.
    Stopped my Insurance as I emailed them on there dedicated email for advice when the General Licence stuff went on.
    Got no advice from them and as I couldn't keep my land owners up to date with anything and lost both permissions.
     

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