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Bad Advice

Discussion in 'Get it off your chest' started by bucketboy, Jun 27, 2020.

  1. bucketboy

    bucketboy Very Active

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    What gets my goat is not bad advice or opinions it’s bad advice that goes unchallenged!

    I notice that on a well known American airgun site, there are a lot of occasions where advice is given that is incorrect, inaccurate, inappropriate or insane no one seems to correct it.

    Case in point, there was a guy who posted his moderator was clipping. He was told that manufacturers deliberately make the hole in the baffle small to exaggerate the claims of effectiveness. He was advised that it normal to drill out the baffle larger before fitting to avoid clipping. He was told to buy calibre specific donny mods with a baffles that are 2 size bigger than the calibre he shoots. No one told him he was an idiot for screw cutting the end of the barrel with a hand held die.:facepalm:

    Others I have seen ......no one can make a quiet moderator for a .177, you need to swap the larger more efficient calibre......with a drill bit welded to a metal rod, carefully drill out the pellets that are stuck in your barrel .....Don’t bother tuning your gun, if it was worth doing the it would have been done at the factory.....This gun is better than that gun because it’s more expensive.

    Why don’t people challenge this, is it because America it the land of free speech or is it a fear of being banned :shrug:






    Bb
     
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  2. sagalout

    sagalout What a plinker!

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    Your wrong! Plain daft, they don't say that at all! :D:D:D
     
  3. BallisticBill

    BallisticBill Posting Addict

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    If Americans made airguns would they have 8 cylinders & pistons, weigh two tons and handle like a bucking bronco? :D
    I don't think Europeans need to take much advice from the US when it comes to precision engineering.

    PS. Aren't moderators banned in the US?
     
  4. squib

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    I see this a lot in fly fishing hobby groups, in particular, a style called Euro Nymphing.
    It’s a technique that originated over in Eastern Europe, but it’s very effective, and lends itself well to the big boulder strewn and rocky rivers of the US.
    The yanks have embraced it with such vigour, that I actually believe some of them think they invented it. There’s lots of people over there slotting themselves straight into this method of fly fishing, and they are all instant experts in it, despite the fact they couldn’t cast or fish a dry fly to save their lives.
    Like your OP, there’s a massive amount of BS surrounding it, and being discussed on SM.

    I think there are two things going on, and I’ll apologise if they are ‘Americanist’. There are two traits I see from Americans I have met personally, and observed/interacted with on social media.
    The first is that many will just accept information without challenging it, as long as it appears to come from a half decent and reliable source, I’ve seen them defend misinformation, and perceived knowledge quite vigorously. I would image your can draw some parallels here to political situations over there.

    The second is that they are in general, a very polite group of people - certainly from my findings and dealings. I imagine part of the reason things go unchallenged is because of this.
     
  5. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    They are legal to possess in 42 of the 50 states with the appropriate registering, declarations & paperwork.
     
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  6. Dr B

    Dr B Grizzly Airgunner

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    Yip, totally agree with BB on this. You dont have to look to the USA for examples though, plenty of them much closer to home.
     
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    bucketboy Very Active

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    Agreed but generally there will be someone quick to point out the advice is poor.

    Bb
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I'm seeing it more on here of late with newbies spouting junk to others which makes my cringe, but I do correct it as politely as possible - can we have a "slap" button as well as a like button :D
     
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  9. Radlad

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    Happens on here as well. Usually the bad advisor gets lots of likes because they are part of a cliche. and it's not worth challenging the advice because the cliche will gang up on the challenger because they are just as ignorant.
    Easy to just let them get on with it.
    Bad opinions? I suppose everybody has opinions that seem bad to someone else
    Bad advice, the internet is full of it, on a specialist forum it should be challenged but sadly, the morons usually win.
     
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    Yorkshire viking Well-Known Member

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    I'm a newbie on here I keep gob well shut most people on here have forgotten more than I will ever know about air rifles, it's not place to give out advice on something I no nothing about.
    If know something about something I will chuck my opinion if not i keep it zipped.
     
  11. Cam.

    Cam. Registered

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    Spot on!
     
  12. Hiram

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    I haven't looked into it but I believe it's different for airguns. Lots of stores sell what they are pleased to call "air rifles" (meaning the usual over powered Chinese carp) that come with moderators (for some reason we say "silencer). No Federal paperwork required. If you want a silencer that's designed for the pressure of a powder burner, that's a whole 'nother story. That requires the Federal rigmarole and tax stamp.

    In most states air rifles aren't considered firearms and are not subject to any regulation whatsoever and, since it's not a firearm, who cares if you put a silencer on it? I think that's the logic.
     
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    A bit off topic but I've seen enough you tube videos of Americans with air rifles and they seem to be know their stuff, it's a bit of a novelty over there, after all, why bother when you can get powder burners so easily.
     
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    Because some people like to be different and also cost. Cartridges can be much more expensive than pellets or cast lead ammo for airguns. Not every American is as rich as the telly seems to portray
     
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    Ok, so I'll address this as "bad advice" - no offence intended incidentally ;)

    I don't think it's ever acceptable to let people give bad advice to people, particularly on here. I understand there is a difference between bad advice and someone's opinion - which is fine, and debate can be constructive, but if something is basically wrong at an empirical level then it should be challenged in a polite manner so as not to elevate it to "urban myth" status, which just perpetuates the crap and ultimately helps no one - we are better than that, and on this forum the mods do a good job of restraining the muppets if they get out on hand :thumb:

    James
     
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    What really boils my wee (and makes me laugh at the same time TBH) is giving good advice to new members, who then totally ignore it and end up with a temporary ban for the exact reason you've been trying to advise them in the first place :facepalm::D Few then have the kahunas to come back on and either say thanks or apologise for being wrong :rolleyes:
     
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    It wasn't intended as advice and I don't see how it could be construed as so. It is simple me expressing my OPINION based on my impression of some of the posters on here :p:p

    Fred
     
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    Septic Superbus et Vetera

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    It’s by no means restricted to The U.S.... I’ve seen it on many U.K. online groups/fora, dealing with various subjects over the years...

    You just can’t escape the contradiction and confusion caused by strange personal opinions and advice...It’s always going to happen...

    Sometimes it’s because people are just dumb... Sometimes because they’ve got some kind of agenda, some because they’ve misremembered something they’ve been told, or even because they’re not thinking straight, due to other factors like substance abuse... (like me, when I recently got my meds mixed up for an entire week!.... That was scary!!!)

    I almost always try to politely address obvious inaccuracies when I see them. Just in case someone acts on a dodgy comment and ends up with grief.. And I have taken plenty of abuse for it in the past... But I let the “Keyboard warrior” stuff wash over me... (Unless I know where they live :rolleyes:)

    The only time I get really miffed, is when I get banned for contradicting Dodgy comments, or advice given by megalomaniacal group/forum moderators... Like a certain Farceb00k group I was recently ejected from!!... (They can do their wild camping without me :mad:)
     
  20. Dr B

    Dr B Grizzly Airgunner

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    A few months on here a self-claimed expert gave calibre advice...:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:.....I usually avoid getting into these debates, but this time I simply had to. Why? Well, I'm paraphrasing but the advice went something like "with a .177 you dont have to be so precise with where you aim on animals as it over-penetrates and thus does more damage....etc....etc...." The implication being - just point and shoot.

    Now, I'm sure the poster did not mean their advice to read that way - but to a newbie it definately would be. I interjected and pointed out that this advice should be ignored as it simply isnt true. Many others followed up with similar comments and to be fair to the original poster he retracted the comment and apologised :thumb:. Cant say fairer than that. So it was a nice end - but the comment infuriated me. It was inaccurate and inhumane advice and had to be challenged in the context of that thread. Its all done and dusted now but I do think there is some friction between that sort of advice and all the 'experience' that poster seems to claim they have. :rolleyes:

    I'd like to think most of these misunderstandings are simply to do with the tinternet not being a great way to express oneself. We've all struggled with the concept of our intended meaning not being the same as the received meaning.
     
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