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Are power adjusters illegal ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by noseb112, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. noseb112

    noseb112 Banned

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    I am thinking about geting a crossman 2240 air pistol , and know people have power adjusters, but it is already on 5.6 foot pounds . so if i was to put a detachable stock so then it is a carbine and adjust the power to 8-10 foot pounds , then adjust it back to 5.6 when it is a pistol. Is this illegal becuase i wont but u could adjust it to 8 or 10 10 foot pounds in a pistol.thanks
     
  2. tommy gun

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    it won't give you more power its just supposed to fine tune your gun,personally i don't think they work
     
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    I would say no its not legal, as its capable of firing over its limit as a pistol. Ok, you get a complaint, the Police turn up and take the pistol for testing. They turn the power up, squeeze the trigger, 10ft/lb. Its over the limit for a pistol, you get your collar felt. But I can see what your thinking but the answer is no its not legal.... I say buy a rifle too.
     
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    Once a pistol always a pistol (must not exceed 6ftlb ever) External adjusters can be adjusted during testing by the plod, they are not illegal but if they allow the gun to go over the limit then you get stuffed. Not worth the risk.
     
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    I would say if it is possible to adjust to over 6 ft lbs on a pistol without the use of tools or without some stripping the yes illegal otherwise you could have a rifle capable of say 30 ft lbs and some adjuster wheel and claim you just use it as 12
    i think the law says capable of this could make the gun capable

    cheers
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    This.
     
  7. dave goodall

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    Brocock converted pistol not illegal doing 11.5 ftlb ;) but it hasn't to work if the stock is taken out pretty much like the air arms Tdr works as a pistol with out the stock
     
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    Hi Dave,

    You're saying that this Brocock was once a pistol (<6fpe?) and now it's running at 11.5? and it won't run for some mechanical reason without the stock fitted? and it's legal?

    Could you explain in more detail please?

    I'm interested as this looks like a very light and point-able hunting tool, something similar might be very suitable for me as I currently have an untreatable shoulder injury that is preventing me from holding my r10 at the moment which is hindering my hunting ability and enjoyment!
     
  9. dave goodall

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    Yes steve mate one of many what nick nutshot made based on the brockock and falcon the owner of this one has just got his open ticket tnrough for .223 so fao has seen the gun so totally legal this was the grandprix pistiol but the stock screws in the back to to spring so if stock is removed tne gun dosnt work ile try dig some more pics out of others maybe some one whos still on nicks rapid forum can copy tne pics from there theres a fewdiff pistils converted on a certain thread all made in to rifles pistols like fn8 falcon which is basicallya fn8 rifle only tne stock and power differs maybedrop the robin a pm see if he can get info from rapid site as i left the site or maybe nutshot might see this thread and add to it the pstols convertedto rifles atvb dave g


    All the pistols converted are based on desighn of tne air arms tdr a part from when if tne stock is removed tne gun wont work there was bit of conflict on the forum over legality of it butthe outcome was that they were legal as the owner of this one showed the fao in hs fire arms application so as not to hender is chances of gaining fac he no has open ticket rainging from fac airto .223 so the statement once a pistol always a pistol isnt totally true
     
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    Only pics I can find at min as I say maybe one the members from there could copy the pics there's lots if diff brands from crossman to falcon brocock ect ect
     
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    That'll be one light 'rifle'.
     
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    They certainly are matey and glad to see someone who can see what they are now "rifles". :cool:
     
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    I'm tempted by that for my other half. The only rifle she has approved of, is a smk b2 I've manged to wangle her on to a bsa ultra. She still feels its heavy ;-O
     
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    Only just spotted this thread. As Dave says , as long as your pistol to rifle conversion has ether a permanently attached stock or when the stock is removed the power drops there is nothing in law that says you can not make a rifle using a pistol as the base. I did search the entire Home Office database to check this. Very boring but there is no mention anywhere it is illegal.
    FN8`s are both rifles and pistols just with a hand grip or a rifle stock. nothing else is different other than the power.
    Every now and then people will say you can`t have a rifle with a barrel under 300mm / 12" or a total length under 600mm 24" (total length of my pistol/ rifles is fractionally over 600mm though even with the stock collapsed) but here is what the law says :

    [HR][/HR] http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publ...Firearms-Guidance.pdf?view=Binary

    Weapons subject to general prohibition.

    [F11(aba)any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30 centimetres in length or is less than 60 centimetres in length overall, other than an air weapon,
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    Out of falcon`s or brococks . the brocock is the easiest to do as falcons have a power adjustment back cap so you have to work round that and make it still adjustable when dismantled but not adjustable with a stock fitted . Bit more of a pain.
    On a brocock the back plug becomes the stock adapter so if you remove the stock the hammer spring drops out and the gun is completely unusable.

    Here is a shot string from my .177 falcon . You get 20 good shots at 10.5 ftlb which is ample power for a .177.


    745, 750, 750, 751, 753, 753, 757, 752, 759, 756
    758, 756, 758, 754, 755, 750, 753, 747, 749, 743


    in .22 you can expect 28-30 good shots at 11 ftlb . Power curve is very similarly flat but Ive lost my test figures for my .22`s

    Heres a pic of my old single shot brocock weight with a weaver adapter and a pulsar n550 fitted. With a scope its 5lb max unless you fit a huge scope.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. ratman60

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    hello, you could also look at the crosman marauder pistol kit, tad expensive but £342 from www.rojal.si nearly £600 in uk. i recently bought a jacket and rifle rest kit from these www.ezfield.co.uk too.
     
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    The mrods look great ratman certainly one of my would like to own guns if i could pick one up cheap enough they seem to fetch daft cash up to what they cost new though
     
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    hello, maybe if there were enough forum members interested to buy the marauder pistol kit www.rojal.si might to a better deal, forum member hypnotic golfer had no problem buying one.
     
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    Will they import to uk at min tho kalibrgun uk and crew as messed up alot of eu importers sending items to the uk at min none ive tried for a cricket compact or edgun will entertain the idea of shipping to the uk at min
     
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    you can get a prod shipped from the states
    ped
     
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    Ile look in to it ped mate but as i say im finding it hard to get any dealer to import at min esp if they frequent forums there isnt a chance in hell they will take the risk maybe all this royal mail blumf isnt helping too
     

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