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Are pellets really that different???

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Jays, Jun 7, 2014.

  1. Jays

    Jays Well-Known Member

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    Hi I'm new to shooting and I've got my self a BSA scorpion in .22 and I see on here about which pellet suits which gun, which is now starting to confuse me a little.
    I'm using the diabolo field, BSA interceptor or the barracuda hunter extreme depending on how I feel on the day I shoot rabbits and squirrels (or try too) lol
    any info would really help thanks jay
     
  2. terry1001

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    The short answer is Yes. There are plenty of cheap, useless pellets on sale and some which are very expensive and useless as well. The best way to find out is to try various brands, there are trial packs available on ebay and I saw this site suggested recently http://www.pelletperfect.co.uk/index.php?route=common/home
    In general domed pellets seem to be preferable (that's all that I use) and if you try AA Field, JSB Exact and RWS Superdomes you should find a good match for your rifle. There are other good pellets available and you could have a trawl through previous posts on the subject and no doubt other members will be able to offer suggestions.
     
  3. yorkshireshoot

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    As Terry's said here , cheap pellets aren't worth the money saved , I bought 2 tins of cheap pellets ( about £10 for both ) and gave em away after firing about 20 as the spread at 30yrds was about 6" up down left and right ! Most guys at my club use the usual jsb exacts , aa field , accupells , range masters etc
     
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    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    What's the grouping like at the moment??
     
  5. Jays

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    I will get out and fire 10 of each into 3 separate targets to see as never done this b4
     
  6. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    For hunting, you need to be grouping within a 1p bit at your longest range;)
     
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    Lol 1p more like 1 pound note haha
     
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    ''Are pellets really that different''. as stated earlier, yes they are, as is what you use to fire them.
     
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    yes they are mate, and to compound matters, you've got one of the most pellet fussy barrels going !
    i would recommend rws superdomes for it - cheap, great quality, and one of the most barrel friendly pellets going
     
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    I havn't got any experience of your particular air rifle but (as already mentioned) you need to be able to produce good groupings at your hunting ranges before you even think about going out and trying to kill Gods critters.
    You need to try out various dome head pellets to find the one that suits your barrel. Once you have done that you need to prove to yourself that you can hit the killzone every time at various distances. If you can't, don't hunt the animals until you can.
     
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    You've come to the right place to get some of the best advice available on the net, but please don't shoot at live targets until you really do know your abilities.
     
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    Jay I have an R10 and have use Diablo hunters since I've had it, I've always liked the gun but it was never 100%
    I recently switched to Diablo fields after some advice off of a member of my local gun club.
    Now I am over the moon with the rifle.
    Trail and error mate. You'll see the difference
     
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    By the way I wasn't aiming for the centre of target as had gun on bipod and beanbag
     
  17. Accuspell

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    The first thing that springs into my mind here is, if you weren't aiming at the centre of the target, how do you maintain the aim - and what exactly were you aiming for? If you draw a cross on a piece of paper or card (I use old cereal boxes, the inside isn't printed!) A small cross 1" each way and 1/4" in thickness for each arm is fine even out to 50 yards. The aiming point is the dead centre of the cross and it also helps you to align the rifle perfectly on the centre, even better than trying to guesstimate the centre of a circle. Only then can you reliably know what the rifle and pellet combination is doing.

    Several variables will alter how well your rifle and pellet work together in harmony (or don't) and not every pellet will suit your rifle, that is down to the manufacturing tolerances of machining.

    1. Head size, this above all else will alter how well your rifle fires the pellets. Many of the good pellets come in three sizes for the calibre, not all .22 pellets are .22 - they are .22 small (5.50mm), .22 medium (5.51mm) and .22 large (5.52mm) - then the old British standard .22 is bigger again at 5.6mm (old vintage rifles). The ACTUAL head size needs to fit your barrel properly for best accuracy. BSA barrels tend to work best with 5.52mm size pellets and it makes a huge difference to how well the barrel fires them.

    Example: I had a BSA Scorpion in .22 a few years ago, a Scorpion T10 it was. I tried the Defiant pellets through it in the different sizes, the medium size Defiants produced groups of about 4" at 30 yards. Pretty crap and you would say they don't work in that rifle. I then tried the large head size Defiants and they were the best pellet through that gun by miles - 5p size groups at 50 yards.

    So it isn't just the different pellet types you need to work through, you also need to try different head sizes in each pellet until you find one, like those Defiants for my rifle, which just work superbly.

    2. Now, the next thing to understand is the pressure in your rifle will affect the zero and how the rifle groups. If you fill your BSA Scorpion to 200 bar, the zero will go out and the power will down, compared to when the pressure drops to 180 bar through to about 120 bar. Thrn again below 120 bar the power will drop and the accuracy will go a bit amiss. It doesn't need anything adjusting or altering, you just need to keep the pressure between the upper and lower limits of the accurate sweet sector - this is the same for ANY PCP rifle unless it is regulated.

    3. Accuracy (tightness of group, or group size) will also be affected by how you squeeze the trigger - take up the slack of the first stage and then your breathing and trigger finger and squeeze all need to be in synch - your heartbeat will also alter the accuracy of your shooting. Next time, hold the rifle and watch how every beat of your heart alters the point of aim, you will see it jump in the sight picture. You need to be able to control this, you do it by staying calm - get excited by the prospect of shooting a rabbit and your accuracy will suffer, and so will the rabbit in all probability. You can also reduce it by correct stance - that includes laying prone properly (stance means the position, not just standing). Each position has good technique to reduce the affect of muscular contraction, blood flow and heart beat. Shooting rabbits and squirrels will be more affected by good technique than shooting bits of paper which don't run away - so taking your time won't result in your target moving or disappearing altogether!

    Have a look in the hunting section at what I wrote in the thread titled STEADY AIM - that should help you too.
     
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    Adding Accupell's post.
    When aiming at the centre of the cross or bull with trial batches of pellets, don't worry if you are not hitting the centre. It's the group you need, so if one brand hits low left at 30 yards but are all touching giving the best group you can then move the scope.

    So for example.
    Out of the three pictures you have posted, if you were aiming at the centre of the bull each time the Diablo did the best group and baracoda the worst. So you can then ajust the scope accordingly. I hope this makes sence to you.

    Andrew
     
  19. Jays

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    Thank you so much for spending the time Accuspell explaining bits in your post. This is why I must get out with people who know what there doing as I don't want to teach myself bad habits, I feel very naive and have realised it's not a matter of just picking up a rifle and pull the trigger but this is why I've joined this forum also thanks to everyone else who takes the time to post as it all really helps and I feel I've got my feet on the 1st step of the ladder
    thanks again guys please keep the info coming (I need it lol)
     
  20. Clubshot

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    Defiant 5.52 @ 14.00 grains work well in clean Barrel / actions

    Was Develop around PCP's supplied by John Bowkett

    In General BSA's prefer a Large Head Size pellet -

    BOB/R
     

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