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Are My Guns Too Big For Me ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by BADGER.BRAD, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. bhodge

    bhodge Posting Addict

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    All the gear.....then she goes and cants the rifle!
     
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    BADGER.BRAD Well-Known Member

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    Whats wrong with the 60s or the HW80 ? I take it they have some sort of reputation.
     
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    :laff:...

    Yeah, I have to say that from the original post I wasn't entirely sure exactly what exactly the rifles were being/going to be used for...
     
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    Wofty 'This is the way'

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    Nowt.
     
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    Wofty 'This is the way'

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    And? I don't see the problem. It's more comfortable and nicer to get the sight to your eye.
     
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    Nowt wrong with them if you have an FAC, they were designed to be run in the 18-24fpe bracket, hence the weight... ;):up:
     
  7. bhodge

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    Nothing...but if its an example of a good stance, then holding the gun straight should be a part of it.
    But you carry on buddy, fill yer boots!
     
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    Lev Levvin BEAST OF BODMIN

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    I’m 6’2” and 28 stone at moment...

    53 years old and I often struggle with unsupported shots... same thing... wanders off target if I’m not resting on something

    I used to be ridiculously accurate with free standing shots but not any more
     
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    Standing shots are hard doesnt matter what gun you have, you will get a wobble. Being unsupported. Breathing is vital to control it. Mixed with adrenaline , is not good
     
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    Wofty 'This is the way'

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    I think you've missed the point.
    Gun cant at a fixed point makes no difference if that's how the sights are zeroed. If you change the range, Yes can't will impact poi.
    As these target disciplines are at a fixed range the competitors zero for their best hold.
    If you have a watch of some Olympic shooting you can see all the competitors hold it this way:thumb:
     
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    I understand that completely, but as an example of correct stance the rifle should be straight. It's not the way most of us shoot I'll agree with that.
     
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    Wofty 'This is the way'

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    The pics are from a 10m tutorial on stance etc so it's dedicated to that discipline.
     
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    I enjoy short range, off hand shooting, if I use my Prosport I'm a bit limited how long I can shoot it before it gets slightly tiring and my aim starts to wander, I put this down to the fact with scope and mounts this combo weighs in at 9 lbs 12 oz which is great for stability and shot follow through but bad for extended sessions.

    I also have a BSA XL Lightning that with a similar scope weighs in at 7 lbs 6 oz and the weight is a lot more concentrated nearer the pistol grip. I can almost shoot this gun continuously and it's really easy handling. The downfalls are some of these guns can be snappy shooters so try before you buy and .22 will be a little smoother so that's worth considering, as it's fairly light long range accuracy may not be it's forty but for short to medium range shooting it's fine. The best versions of this rifle were made in Brum (before manufacturing moved to Spain) so maybe consider on of these.
     
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    Everyone wobbles. In terms of mass and stability you should get a bell curve - too light and it'll accentuate every little twitch, too heavy and you'll struggle to hold it, fatigue and start twitching. Just right and the mass damps your movement without feeling excessive.

    Balance is also important; a relatively light gun with a forward-baised mass distribution should aid fatigue resistance while retaining stability. Gripping the rifle with the leading hand and tucking the elbow in, rather than extending the leading hand will also help with fatigue and stability; look at 10m shooters for inspiration ;)
     
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    But surely finding the balance point is key to this, and if you have a front heavy rifle then this is going to happen.. maybe adding weight near the shoulder or attaching a sling and pulling on the sling from the front end would help
     
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    I'm very nearly there with my current S410 and actually think a carbine would possibly be more suited to my style of shooting "but" I don't wanna reduce my shot count any further by buying said carbine so at some point I need to remove the butt pad and add a little weight to the rear of the rifle...

    Anyone know how the butt pad comes off on the S4's, I take it there are screws under the rubber plugs ?...

    Why did they do that ?...
     
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    What is going to happen? IMO all adding mass at the rear is going to do is make the gun heavier with no gain / potentially decrease in stability on aim.

    The gun can be simplified to a cantilever attached to the shooter at the butt. For a given mass total rifle mass, the closer to the front the centre of mass is, the greater the gun's moment of inertia relative to its anchor at the shooter. The higher the moment of inertia, the slower the muzzle deflects for a given force (wobble). The slower the gun deflects the easier less distance it's moved off aim during the time the shooter takes to compensate. Hence, more mass at the muzzle both reduces total muzzle displacement and slows muzzle movement; making it easier to put the shots where you want them.

    Why do you want to add weight to the butt? Leave it alone ;)
     
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    Not so much that buddy, I'm after fitting an adjustable butt pad at some point a byproduct of which will be a slight increase in weight at the rear... :):up:
     
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