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Good news Are Co2 Pistols Are Starting To Get Popular Again ?

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Wild Bill, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. mikeyhall1

    mikeyhall1 2018 & 2019 Forum Nice Guy

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    I seem to want one when I don’t have one, and don’t want one when I do have one....

    I think pistols are not for me, and whilst I currently don’t have one... I want one..

    Complicated much!
     
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  2. Russ Douglas

    Russ Douglas YouTube: RussDouglas222

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    Oh they're fun to a point but I've gone off them, each to their own.

    The only one I'll actually slag-off unreservedly is the Dan Wesson 715. Bought an 8" one new, a year or two ago, then complained when I discovered it only had a 2.5" rifled barrel(!)

    Reading the packaging carefully the separate wording was "Rifled barrel", " 8" ", so if you bought the 2 1/2" version you got a fully rifled barrel. The 4", 6" and 8" models all had a long 'barrel' which was 6mm smoothbore, containing an inner rifled sleeve 2.5" long.
    Distributors ASI didn't offer me any joy so I sold it at a loss to a friend.

    Consider me well pee'd off with that one! R
     
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  3. Russ Douglas

    Russ Douglas YouTube: RussDouglas222

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    Ps. I assume either everyone on here already knows about that sly move with the design of the 715, or they've corrected it in the year or two since I owned one?
    Cheers. Russ
     
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  4. garryt

    garryt Posting Addict

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    I used to shoot RS as well Mike.
    However, to me some of these take me back to those times (and are as close as we can get in this nanny state) and are great fun. I mainly use upgraded airsoft (which are damn good believe me), but still enjoy my Umarex 586 co2 and my SAA's.
    I think it's good this wide range of co2 stuff is available - generally something for everyone, and gets more people back into shooting which can only be a good thing imo.
     
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  5. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    You really don't know your Dan Wessons. :rolleyes: The 8" model is not a 715. So there was no sly move as you put it. :facepalm:



    There are differences as follows. Available in BB versions too and in different finishes.


    None 715 versions:

    dan-wesson-co2-bb-45-air-revolver-kit-4.jpg Dan-Wesson-revolvers.jpg PY-2651_Dan-Wesson-4-CO2_1463754628.jpg


    715 versions.



    PY-3858_Dan-Wesson-715-6.jpg asg-dan-wesson-715-co2-revolver-4-barrel-silver-177-bore-27-joules-pellets.jpg 715.jpg
     
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  6. Russ Douglas

    Russ Douglas YouTube: RussDouglas222

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    Err well excuse me you cheeky s0d, but regardless of the photo you upload here it said Dan Wesson 715 on the box, and the fact remains an 8" smoothbore outer bull barrel was sold with a 2.5" long rifled inner sleeve. Total con job that.

    I first thought it was a trade description act job, until I saw how carefully they'd worded the box.

    8" barrel, rifled - is a damn cheeky way of selling folk a 2.5" rifled barrel in an 8" long pistol.

    At the time I highlighted this to Lloyd at Blackpool Air Rifles, who checked and found the same issue with all the 4", 6" and 8" 'barrel DW715s he had in stock back then.

    And yes, you just dropped in my estimation. R
     
  7. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    Good and thank you. You never even featured in my estimations. Never heard of you. :thumb: ps, do you work with Terry Doe? Archant?:rolleyes: That would explain some things.

    ps here is the DW 8" box. ;) Not much mention of 715..........:D Come on, stop digging your hole chap. You are wrong.

    dacdc01d6c8c1607bb887484750e78115b9c10871992.jpg

    Air-pistol-ASG-Dan-Wesson-6+8-inch.jpg
     
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  8. Russ Douglas

    Russ Douglas YouTube: RussDouglas222

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    Self-proclained Ten year 'veteran' ...of a forum.

    So you disagree that the 8" barrelled pistol, rifled with only a 2.5" rifled inner sleeve was advertised / sold misleadingly, really?

    I write independently for three different magazines (two different publishers), and I polish no turds.
    Am 100% honest in all my reviews. R
     
  9. Douglas Soal

    Douglas Soal Donator

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    Sorry Russ, but they have not made the 715 in 8 inch barrel as yet, you had the earlier, inferior DW version.
     
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  10. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    Yes I do. You just don't like being wrong. I understand. We all make mistakes matey. No need for insults or sly remarks. And yes I can be a cheeky sod sometimes.:D
    By the way it's 'self proclaimed' :thumb: :coffee: Proof reading is a valuable skill sometimes. Especially if you are in the publishing business with Archant. But then again, when did they ever review any airgun truthfully and fairly?
     
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  11. Russ Douglas

    Russ Douglas YouTube: RussDouglas222

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    Typos are typos, fact of life when online, get over it.

    I think 95% of pistol shooters on here would be well hacked-off to discover an 8" barrelled pistol only had a 2.5" rifled inner sleeve, within a larger outer tube.

    But maybe that's just me? R
     
  12. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    I will get over it. Typos happen. Misinformation on the other hand....:coffee: And yes 95% would be well hacked off it was true. Just like they never stated 715 on the boxes either.:rolleyes: You are wrong.

    It's no big deal though so lets keep this thread on topic. :up:
     
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    Headhunter Busy Member

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    Well, the gun in question, a Dan Wesson (1st Gen) 8" pellet version CO2 revolver, does in fact have a FULL SIZED inner rifled barrel that goes from the barrel mouth all the way to the business end, I've just checked mine which was manufactured in 2014 (makes it roughly 5 years old) and it has got a full length rifled barrel.

    Just a couple of questions though;
    1) Are you an Umarex stooge ? Just trying to discredit a competitor (in this case ASG). :confused:
    2) Are you in the habit of not checking things like rifling when you buy a new or even a secondhand gun ? :rolleyes:
    3) Did you buy the gun from a reputable dealer or from 'Dodgy Dave' down at the Nags head ? If it was the former then you should of just returned it rather than lose money selling it on and if it was the latter well, what did you expect buying it from a guy called 'Dodgy Dave', lol ;)

    So now that you have finished 'slagging off' (noticed your 'lack of power thread, weedy CO2 pistol' thread too) CO2 handguns, I guess that you will you be moving on to making other troll-like threads to try to garner some interest ? If so, you might just want just keep in mind that some of us that use this forum do check our facts before typing and we all love plinking, whether that be tin cans in the garden or the odd troll on the forum, above all (and I am only speaking for myself here) I am no 'big game hunter' or even a small rodent pest control guy, I'm just a 'plink at targets to get my jollies' type of guy, I don't need to have a high ft-lb to kick a tin round the garden or even punch holes in paper targets :)

    (Note to self: Must go to the Russ Douglas profile page and click that 'ignore' button)
     
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    Christ almighty... calm down everyone. While I was researching buying a 6 inch 715 I was warned by a member on another forum to check the barrel was fully rifled as his only had the 2 inch section as referred to. Mine indeed was fully rifled but I believe the early versions may not have been. Which is indeed, a con in my opinion
     
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  15. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    I have done extensive research myself and couldn't find anything relating to the 715 models having 2" barrels. I agree, it would be a con in my opinion. Obviously the snub nose 715 does have a similar size barrel. @gingernut on here has extensive experience with these pistols and owns/owned the first 715 6" models if I recall. :up:
     
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    I'm more into your WW1, WW2 and western era replica, and after shooting them for a while now I don't understand this cold weather thing people have with Co2, I've had no trouble hitting targets up to 15yds with bbs pistol's, and up to 30yds with the pellet firing Winchester easy down the club in cold weather even hit a large board at 35yds. Nice thread Wild Bill:thumb:
     
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  17. gingernut

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    Never been an 8 inch 715.

    When the 6 inch 715 pellet first came out I bought one.
    Sold it to a mate,regretted it.

    Then I think Paul 55 had one and found out his only had a two inch rifled bit.
    I checked mine that I had sold and it had full rifled barrel.

    I bought another and it only had the two inch bit as have others I have checked in shops.

    Accuracy doesn't seem to suffer much.

    Have the 4 inch and the snubby both of which are fully rifled.

    Way better than the first DW revolvers.
     
  18. no country members

    no country members Tooled up tool

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    Ah the old "got a mate who..." approach eh? :D:D:D:D

    Tell the truth..... you dress up as a Cowboy and shoot Bullpups every weekend don't you? :D
     
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  19. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    @Paul55 had a 6" 715 DW with a 2" barrel or was his a pre 715 DW? I would be shocked to find that too. I have never heard of that. Could someone have replaced the normal barrel? I would still like to see one in the flesh.
     
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  20. Russ Douglas

    Russ Douglas YouTube: RussDouglas222

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    (Sigh) @Headhunter I can see straightaway from the post after yours and by @gingernut that I'm not the only keen shooter to rumble this perhaps rare con. So let me clarify to you and anyone else on their high horse: YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
    I Just wish I'd been better connected back then social media -wise, to create a stink about it. :rolleyes:

    I'd only discovered my DW had a shorter-than-advertised barrel completely by accident, while testing one of those 90degree micro-Maglite fibre optic-style torch attachments. I then checked the length with a digital micrometer, took it straight back to the city centre High Street RFD, who promptly contacted their supplier as they were not happy either. Sadly they received an "it is what it is" -type reply, so could only shrug their shoulders and little more.

    The box's outer text saying "Rifled barrel" is clearly and deliberately separate from the text giving the barrel length. I didn't notice that until looking further into it, at which point I simply felt conned.

    @oedbachgen Yep I loved the Winchester's performance too, after buying one and reviewing it together with the excellent Walther twin CO2 powerpack. I sang its praises @08:40 in this video: ...and in my July 2018 Airgun World review, where it printed very tidy groups indoors @25m and rang 2" & 3" steel plates outdoors well beyond that.
    Sadly the shallow grip angle aggrevated my existing wrist Tendonitis, so I reluctantly sold it on.

    I am genuine, and hate both online trolls and sad keyboard warriors, sadly I occasionally encounter both now and then on various forums covering various (very different) hobbies.

    I don't slag-off all CO2 pistols, I stated I used to love them (and listed three I'll be keeping FFS :rolleyes:); but in time have come to dislike the relatively low power and miss the oomph we get from firing a spring pistol. So I suggested a possible contemporary solution, that I've already seen used in the paintball market and am interested to hear from others who feel the same.

    Cheers. Russ
     

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