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Anti tamper......

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by jay5488, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. jay5488

    jay5488 Donator

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    So as some of you will know I've recently delved into the black art of PCP shooting, and upon using the search I realise this subject has been done to death, but bear with me please.

    I've had a small issue with my BSA Ultra, not a big enough complaint to throw my teddy out, more of a slight qc concern.

    After speaking, at length, to BSA they have shunned my complaint and as such I'm not bothered about this and as I said to them "you can stick your warranty up your a**e"!!!!!!

    Any way I need to remove my anti tamper to remove the pellet probe, cannot be done without removal, and I'm just asking for a little help.

    I know how to remove it on the earlier MMC version but mine is slightly different, I appreciate that this may be done by pm only and I also will make sure the rifle is well within the law. Which leads to my next question, is my rifle still legal with the anti tamper removed or do I need to re seal it when I'm finished??? Just not sure on this point and a search didn't reveal too much.

    Thanks for any help offered or if this is a touchy subject, admin, please feel free to remove it.

    Many thanks

    Jamie
     
  2. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    What's your concern mate?
     
  3. mattyts

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    It would be legal with it removed,just not if it's running hot but if it is running above 12 ft/lbs and it has been removed you're probably gonna be in deeper trouble than if it was still intact.
     
  4. jay5488

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    This is my point, I'm not touching anything to do with the power, it's running around 10.6 lb ft and when reassembled this will be checked, as I always keep an eye on power!!!
    Just worried if I can get done for removing the AT or leaving it open to abuse by not replacing the AT!!
     
  5. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    AT is a waste of time, it is my responsibility to keep my rifle legal!

    So I removed mine:)
     
  6. mattyts

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    Nothing wrong with removing it,it's there as a safety net for manufacturers and probably yourself but removing it would ensure your rifle was legal as you could fine tune it to sit a safe distance away from the limit (Ours does 11.4 on a warm day with bis mags)
     
  7. jay5488

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    I absolutely appreciate what your saying and agree with you 100%, however, I really want to avoid what will inherently turn into a what's right and what's wrong, just want to know the legalities surrounding the removal.....
     
  8. mattyts

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    It's absolutely fine in removing it,nothing against the law that says you can't.just always check it's legal
     
  9. SteveO

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    As Matty said above!

    I was told by John Bowkett that the anti tamper was an industry standard introduced to cover their own arses and to verify that guns leaving the factory were the correct power, You are now responsible for the gun and should be testing periodically and keeping it within legal parameters (lots of people without skill and knowledge send their guns or take them to their RFD to be tweaked) If you can do this yourself then power to you! :up:

    I know where the low level power adjuster is on my r10 after being showed how to adjust it, should it creep up near the limit I know exactly how to rectify it!
     
  10. Uriel

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    Here's your straight answer...

    It is not illegal for you to remove the anti-tamper stuff from your rifle, end of. You cannot be prosecuted, publicly flogged, put in the stocks, or run out of town for doing so.

    As has been previously stated, the AT is not there for your sake, but the airgun manufacturer's.

    You would only need to worry if you were nicked for having a gun that's running over the legal limit; if it did so and you had removed the AT, you would be in deepest doodoo.

    Your best bet is to tweak it to an absolute maximum of 11.5 ft/lbs with the heaviest pellet you can find (allowing for the one really heavy pellet in the tin, of course). Anything lighter that you use thereafter will be sub 11.5 ft/lbs.
     
  11. critter

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    Hello there, I'm having my gun serviced and also having the AT removed. This is being done by a gunsmith so i think that this should answer your question with any doubt removed. Cheers.
     
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  12. Clubshot

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    As Stated many times AT is a Voluntary Action by UK Air Gun Trade

    It is Not a Legal Requirement

    But removing it from a New Gun will invalidate Gun's Warrenty

    As will any major work on a New Air Gun under Warrenty

    Several Manufactures Will remove it on Gun being ordered or returned for other work - On owners request

    Manufactures in General Do Not supply even authrorised Gun Smiths with AT Service Kits

    Also as Most PCP's are Batch Tested - there is always a Chance that they will come out Hot

    Reason I and others State you should get it Chronoed with your Choice of Pellets
    Before parting with payment.

    BOB/R
     
  13. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    I bought a 2007 Rapid last year that had not been tampered with (a minor miracle in itself). The factory AT was still in place, however the gun was running very consistently at 14 ft lb, so how the hell AT covers a manufacturer I will never know.

    Furthermore the warranty you have is not with BSA, it is with the gun shop that sold you the gun. If it is not right, take it back and get them to fix it or replace it!
     
  14. jay5488

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    Thanks for the replies, as I've said, the power is at 10.5 lb ft and will be staying at this as I'm not touching anything to do with the power, it gets chronod regular, I do keep an eye on this!!!!
    Warranty isn't a problem, again they can stick it, if they don't want to help I'll do it myself, i know it's done right then!!!!!

    Thanks for all your help.

    Jamie

    Mods, feel free to lock this I case it "wanders" off topic
     
  15. kev02

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    [QUO
    TE=Stevie76;1031269]AT is a waste of time, it is my responsibility to keep my rifle legal!

    So I removed mine:)[/QUOTE]

    Hi yes I agree with stevie I removed mine aswell.
    Atb kkev02 :)
     
  16. trumpetier

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    There are plenty of pre AT rifles out there....thats what i buy :D...if i did get a AT rifle it would be removd straight away...as said its OUR responsibility to stay within the law...i have heard many times of new rifles having to go back to the manufacturer to get turned down or indeed up....to much hassle...much easier to be able to keep it in check yourself.
     
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  17. Chinnymonster81

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    Easy thing for air arms rifles is to buy some M3 6mm long torx/pin screws to replace the shear bolt. It has an anti tamper device on then. However the law says must not be able to exceed which in reality all pcp's can, so all very vague as to what is and isn't right apart from the limit. Also if you have an anti tamper fitting that isn't a shear bolt there is no reason that the police can't remove it themselves turn the gun up and secure themselves a nice little prosecution for their figures as after all how would you prove they didn't. The whole A/T and muzzle energy limit is a minefield that won't ever be sorted unless someone wins a court case over failure with the factory anti tamper still intact. This would then at least lead to specific guidelines in law as to where responsibility truly lies. After all as it stands it's your responsibility but the manufacturers have acted to prevent you complying easily and the removal of their control method leaves you in a tricky position of you can turn it down but they can turn it up. And all that before the argument of whose chronograph reads the correct figure as there is no leeway in the law but the machines all have an error of +/- a percentage of the recorded value, and what yours says won't be taken into account.
     
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    Bet you wished you never asked now.
     
  19. Wild Bill

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    Actually Secret mole, the warranty is with BSA or the manufacturer. But under the Sales of Goods Act 1979, the onus is on the retailer for the first year to arrange to get a rifle fixed by the manufacturer. Many retailers will tell you otherwise to save them the bother. Some manufacturers will collect a faulty rifle under warranty though and return it to you fixed.

    Now as for the first part of your post you state "The factory AT was still in place, however the gun was running very consistently at 14 ft lb, so how the hell AT covers a manufacturer I will never know." This is a prime example of why AT is very very good for the manufacturer and retailer and not very good for the customer. The AT is not covering the seller or maker you see. They only need to fit it and sell the gun with it on. (Well actually they don't have to coz it's not law) but what they are doing is putting the lawful burden onto the customers shoulders. Only you, the owner, the person found with a section 1 firearm over the legal limit will face a judge. There are no mitigating circumstances either because the law is an absolute law. The user is responsible, not the seller or manufacturer. Good ain't it?

    I recommend removal of the AT and maintain the rifle in a legal state. Being found with an above the legal limit rifle with AT intact is also going to end with a prosecution because the law does not recognise AT nor did it request it.
     
  20. smithys

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    I hate anti tamper, to me I like to fettle an hone each gun from crude factory made too smoothed out and running sweet, anti tamper was a waste of time in my mind, even with or without we are responsable for our guns, myself I have no anti tampers at all, my guns have been tuned and smoothed out to there best potential an so much better than grude factory mass produced.
     
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