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Alternatives To Sig Mcx/mpx Airguns.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by c4four, Jun 17, 2018.

  1. c4four

    c4four Active Member

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    Are there any alternative revolver-rifles that mimic the look of a conventional firearm, are reasonably priced and aren't extremely low quality. The mcx looks great, but it is almost twice the price in the UK as it is everywhere else; I'm not willing to pay ~£350 for a rifle worth ~£150-£200 from what I have seen. Also, I'm not interested in co2 bb guns.
     
  2. cloverleaf

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    I'd agree with your assessment of these rifles - grossly overpriced and pretty shonky IMO.

    The only other things I can think of are the "Beretta CX4" (which uses the same systems and IIRC originates from the same Japanese source, so won't be much better) and the Crosman 1077; which again is cheap and cheerful but not as eye-wateringly, p*ss-takingly expensive.
     
  3. c4four

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    I have considered those. I'm only interested in them for plinking and the fact that it is similar in appearance to a real gun is one of the big selling points. Sadly, I can't justify paying that much money. And yes, I am aware that the cx4 is based on a real gun, but not a 'conventional' looking gun
     
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    I bought the 1077 for my lad and I must admit I really enjoy shooting it.
     
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    Clover has, as usual, covered the bases. The Umarex "Beretta" is superficially quite nice (I got one cheap a few months ago, haven't actually shot it yet, but my other half thought it was "cool"), but reportedly suffers from dodgy seals and magazine-related malfunctions - though a lot of the latter may well be user-induced. It uses a similar belt/chain mag to the "SIGs".

    The 1077 is good value and reliable. Best of the bunch. If not in a hurry, I'd hold out for an older rifled-barrel wood stock version. Otherwise, just buy the cheapest, stick a red dot on it and blat away.

    In around 2005-10, Crosman also made the N1200 Nightstalker, a Beretta Storm lookalike with a 12-shot cylinder shared with the 1077. Never examined one. Only a few years in production, so either not popular or had issues, or both.

    You may be able to find the pellet-firing Gamo copy of the Brugger and Thonet MP9 SMG (originally the Steyr TMP). Crawley Surplus Store may have them. I think they are basically a re-shelled PT-85 pistol, but that may not be a totally bad thing.

    In the States, you can get pellet-firing cylinder-mag copies of the M14 and M16 from "Winchester", but I don't think they are offered over here and in any case they appear to have reliability issues.

    The Baikal MP651K pistol can be found offered with a fake barrel extension, shoulder stock, and prismatic sight. Don't do it (I did). It is a rather nice cheap CO2 pellet pistol, but a very odd carbine.

    That's about it, to my knowledge.

    There are of course a bunch of replicas in "semi-auto" BB form (Mini-Uzi, MP5K, Yunkers, AK, etc) and in single shot pellet form (eg Crosman multi-pump or break-barrel lookalikes of the M16A4, M4, SCAR).
     
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  6. cloverleaf

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    Fair enough.. I'd make an effort to get over the "real gun" thing though - airguns aren't imaginary (;)) and much of the stuff that trades off looking like something it's absolutely not is usually fairly crap.

    If you can find one I reckon you'd be much better off with a Drulov Eagle - 5-shot true semi-auto and infinitely more accurate and well made than any of the wannabe Rambo stuff like the Sig ;)
     
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    Isn't true semi-auto illegal here?
     
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    "Self loading" firearms are prohibited unless chambered for .22LR or are smoothbore (shotguns); whether this applies to airguns or not has been an area of massive contention in the past.

    One could argue that due to the way they function the Drulov variants could be classified as "self loading", however they're no longer sold new, aren't common, have no history of criminal mis-use and (sadly, probably most importantly) do not present a threat to any existing "British" made products that might give someone in the the industry an agenda in seeing them banned.
     
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    I was just considering that. Are .22 pellets considered to be the same caliber as .22 lr rounds? And (a bit off-topic) could a real gun chambered in a higher caliber cycle as a double-action revolver and be considered legal? If so, I think there would be a big market for revolver-rifles here.
     
  10. r10hunter

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    .22 rimfire not .22LR. WMR for instance being Uk legal and used by many in semi auto format.
    .22 pellets while roughly the same size as .22 rimfire bullets caliber wise they are not considered the same for the law on semi auto.

    It’s doubtful how much use a revolver type rifle would be compared to other action types it would have serious inaccuracies and limitations.
    Have a look at LBR if you are interested in full bore revolvers.
    https://firearmsuk.org/firearms-shotguns-other/long-barrel-revolvers/
    Where are you in the country.? I suggest you go to a club or out with a member and shoot some guns before spending your money.
     
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  11. cloverleaf

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    As R10hunter has said there's no comparability in law between .22LR and any airgun pellets.

    Double-action long-barrelled pistols are available in all manner of centrefire calibres, however the market for a rifle of this format is extremely limited (despite the fact that someone probably makes one - anyone remember the Brocock Sabata?).

    Pedant! But yeah, I admit you're absolutely correct!


    Anyway, I'm off as all this talk of "real" guns is giving me a headache..
     
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  12. c4four

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    sorry for my use of that term. I must remember it is a stupid thing to say.
     
  13. c4four

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    I am not saying that I am looking to buy a firearm, I was just speculating. Also I am in wales at the moment and there is only one extremely exclusive gun club where I live and they don't rent guns.
     

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