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Air Supply

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by sagalout, Sep 13, 2019.

  1. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    I currently have as many charging options as guns, I have Hills Mk4 pump (bought new), a 7l bottle (used) and now a FX 4 stage pump and 3 Ultra SE's.

    I bought the bottle because my Hills Mk4 was playing up and Hills wanted it back to investigate and rebuild so I needed to get an air supply sorted at short notice so a the nearest cylinder it was.

    I like the Hills pump but find the cost of their parts extortionate and I did get the arse when having fully rebuilt my pump and returned it the inference was that the problem was my fault for not changing the Dry-Pac medium every three months as recommended. They have continually ignored my defense on this matter "Hello, the pump is six weeks old and I have changed the dry-Pac medium already".

    So I am left wondering "What's the FX like?", so I bought a used 4 stage off ebay. It is very nice and if you have the strength/bodyweight to keep it as 3 stage very fast, don't have the figures with me, they're in the shed, I can publish tomorrow if anyone is interested but it's about two thirds of the strokes but harder work, of course you can change gear if it all gets to much for you.

    The Hills is very simple and fast to strip, lubricate and rebuild. The FX is no where near as simple and easy. It has taken me 1.5 hours to completely strip it this evening, largely because there is no clear instructions on how to do it so I was working from an exploded parts diagram and also I don't think it has ever been stripped, every thing was gunged up. Now I've done it for the first time it should be easier in future, but I still have to put it back together!

    Hill's service kit is £20+, doesn't have all the seals in it???? I bought an after market one for the FX for £8+ that does have all the seals.

    Hills NLGI 2 silicone is £5.23 +P&P for 15g. NLGI 2 heat resistant silicone from C Bennis on ebay is under £10 for 200g.




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  2. Rm29

    Rm29 Currently obsessed with silencers

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    I have a pump... I also want to try an air venturi nomad 2 compressor! All my bottles have been condemned, well my only bottle.
     
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  3. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    I have thought about the nomad but it doesn't make sense for me at the moment with the small bottle on the Ultras, it probably takes longer for the nomad to get up to speed than it will to fill the bottle, also not sure how loud it is when I'm shooting in the middle of the night.
     
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    Rm29 Currently obsessed with silencers

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    I read a review somewhere that stated about 90 dB then said it was like a kitchen blender
     
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  5. Pete236

    Pete236 Big Poster

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    Webley accupump which I've not used in 3 years, it doesn't work at the moment so it needs a strip at somepoint.
    It's not used much as I've got a 4l bottle which I fill from my 12l bottle - does me nicely :)
     
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  6. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    I have watched Giles' video and it seemed pretty loud to me, my whacker plate is 98db (stated) and that is enough to annoy the neighbours during the day, I know DB's are logarithmic and every 3db is a doubling of noise but I still think 90db at 3 in the morning might cause one or two comments.
     
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  7. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    Got to say the logistics of the bottle don't really work for me, one hour round trip, a gallon of fuel and £8 for a fill.
     
  8. Nik VanOrton

    Nik VanOrton Well-Known Member

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    I got a Nomad last week and it’s brilliant. I’ve been rattling off mags full of pellets in the garden just so I can fill the gun again!

    It’s much quieter in real life than in the videos. I think the microphone amplifies the sound too much, in practice the ‘knocking’ pump noise is much more subtle and muffled.

    I have a couple of rifles with quite small air tanks so it’s perfect for my application.

    Quality kit, comprehensive accessories included also a very good carry case.
     
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  9. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    @Nik VanOrton that sounds (see what I did there?) great, I may have to think about that in the future, because although it' a large wedge initially the long term cost of ownership should be ok.

    What maintenance is required? I do like the pumps though, they make me get of me backside and move about every 40 pellets.
     
  10. Nik VanOrton

    Nik VanOrton Well-Known Member

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    The research I did suggests that maintenance is limited to adding 3 drops of silicone oil every 5 fills and emptying the water/oil trap occasionally.
    I think the main thing is not to over stress it. My biggest gun has a 500cc tank so it’s perfect for me.
     
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  11. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    I would seriously consider getting one if I had big tanks but with the ultras, I think they are 63cc, there is no great effort involved in pumping them up.
     
  12. Keith McCabe

    Keith McCabe Engaging Member

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    Had I have realised the cost of these prior to buying a 300bar 12ltr I would definitely have bought one.
     
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  13. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    You can always sell the bottle, or keep it as a back-up.
     
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  14. Keith McCabe

    Keith McCabe Engaging Member

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    Yes I may just do that. I think I saw another advertised at £480 which may get bought if I can justify it
     
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  15. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    At £480 I can see the temptation. Is that new or used?
     
  16. Keith McCabe

    Keith McCabe Engaging Member

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    New it was a different make to the one mentioned earlier
     
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  17. Nik VanOrton

    Nik VanOrton Well-Known Member

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    I decided to splash out on the Nomad because I didn’t fancy the bucket of water and pump cooling system with the cheaper versions. Also (according to reviews) the moisture trap is very effective on the Nomad.
     
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  18. Dr B

    Dr B An Airgunner's Companion

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    When I saw the thread title....i thought it was about this......:facepalm::facepalm::D:p

     
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  19. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    I'll take a wild stab at the artemis?


    I've got to say it's the faffin about to get set up with the £150 ones that puts me off them.

    I watched at least ten seconds of that before I had to go and chuck up :) Shame there isn't a "really, really dislike" button :mao:
     
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  20. sagalout

    sagalout I must stop buying Ultras!

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    The Hill MK4 takes 48 strokes to fill the ultra from 120 to 230 bar and the FX 4 stage (in 3 stage mode) takes 36.

    The Hill MK4 is an absolute doddle to maintain, if a bit expensive for bits.

    The FX 4 stage is an absolute bottom hole to strip and rebuild, the consumables are at much cheaper than the Hill MK4.

    The FX I bought 2nd hand had grub screws wound in so tight they had dented and distorted the middle tube making it very difficult to get the inlet valve head out and the handle mount off. I've spent a bit of time fettling to get these easy to deal with in the future.

    I use a lot of air because I shoot close to 500 pellets a day and the pumps need a fair bit of attention to keep them in good order, so ease of maintenance is important to me. I think although the FX is nice to use and has less strokes needed to fill it might be sold on because I only need two air sources and it makes sense to me that it should be a pump and the cylinder, the cylinder for emergencies when the pump is dead and awaiting spares or I am not able to pump it for some physical reason.
     

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