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Air rifle over limit

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by ateallthepies, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. ateallthepies

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    Hi, i have a Weirauch HW95 springer which is over 10 years old and has not been modified at all. I was shooting it through my chrony today and was getting 644 fps to 650 fps using RWS super h point pellets which on the tin states are 14.2 grain. But on my grain scales these pellets come in at 13.9 grains.

    Now if i work this out my rifle is shooting at 13 ft lbs with the 14.2 grain figure or 12.8 ft lbs with the 13.9 grain self-weighed figure both calculated at 644 fps.

    Both these figures are over the uk limit so what should i do. Can a gun be professionally tested or might my chrony be reading high?

    Thanks. Steve.
     
  2. a1gunner

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    well what you could try doing is warming the spring up so it weakens but i know id prefer to take it to the shop and ask to get it done.

    i think thats the better idea
     
  3. Buzz

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    If, as you say, it's a 10 year old gun that is still standard in every way, I doubt it will be shooting over 12 ft/lbs, BUT if it is, it's you that will get locked up if found, not Weirauch. So for your own peace of mind you need to either get your gun or your chronograph checked out as soon as possible at your local gun shop. If the gun is over the limit, it needs sorting without delay and don't shoot it again till you know it's legal.
     
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    if you have a local club with a gun safe or safe room you could ask to put it there soif it is over the limit at least you can say you have takes some form of action but its best to get it down the smithy ASAP and get it fixed.

    also if its that old why not get a new spring thats nice and lubed.
    it will be:
    1. under the limit
    2. shoot like new
     
  5. ateallthepies

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    Thanks for the replies.

    When i said not modified i mean i have not done anything except putting a sound moderator on. I would not have thought this would up the power though.
    This rifle has had thousands of pellets through it so presumably if it is over the limit now it must have been well over when the gun was bought new from a well established dealer near me.

    So if a gun is sold as 12 ftlbs max and is then found to be over, would the user be liable or the dealer?

    I do hope my chrony is reading high!!

    Steve.
     
  6. ateallthepies

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    A1, the gun is in mint condition and has never had any problems despite never being maintained. It has fired like new since i have had it but i will get the spring done if it is over the limit.

    Thanks. steve
     
  7. Andy

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    Many guns tend to go up in power slightly as they are run in, but after ten years i would have thought the spring should have weakened.
    Have you just started shooting this gun after a long while, if so is it deaseling.
    Your chrony should be correct they normally are quite accurate.
     
  8. ateallthepies

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    Yes i have just started using it after a long spell of inactivity. But have fired a hundred or so pellets before using the chrony and can not detect any smoke from the barrel though.

    If i take it to the shop to be tested, will i get any document showing it is legal?

    Steve.
     
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    If it's legal they will just tell you so, but if it's over limit then they have to keep it until it's sorted.
     
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    better having the gun banged up for abit rather than having you banged up!
     
  11. sumo

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    I seriously doubt if its over the limit but if it is,so what?.
    Unless you do something daft which the police become involved in,then who will know???:)
     
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    If the gun is over 10 years old and is still a good un why not treat it to a service and a new spring anyway,then you will know it will be ok,and with a bit of luck may do another 10 years :up:
     
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    The hw95 is well known for shooting over the limit i owned one and a couple of my friends have had them and every one was over the limit if you do a search on airgun bbs ( sorry andy your site is much better but the info needed is on the crap site ) you will find a few threads about hw95s shooting over the limit. Also you will only be charged with an offence if the gun has been tampered with to take it over the limit if the gun is stock then it is actually the shop that sold the gun that are at risk of prosecution not the owner of the gun and if you contact your firearms licensing officer you can get a temporary fac normally they last three months that allows you to own but not shoot and in the case of shotguns and rimmfire centrefire rifles not buy ammo for the rifle whilst all issues are resolved
     
  14. ateallthepies

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    Thanks for all the replies, i will be taking it in on Monday for a check and will post the results when i get them.

    Steve.
     
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    I've got a twenty year old HW 85 which has never been serviced or even had it's joints oiled until my son in law gave it to me! It still shoots at 11.4 ft. lbs.
    and is SO smooth and quiet.
    As for being banged up merely for possessing an over the limit air gun, I'm afraid we haven't got prison space enough to do that.
     
  16. ateallthepies

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    Well i had a day off today so took it to the shop. They chronographed it and it was indeed well over the limit.
    They thought it may be dieseling as it had been sitting idle for a while but if not then they recommended leaving it cocked for a few hours to see if that would reduce the spring power before they send it to the gun smith.
    So it is sitting cocked in my garage at the mo and i will see if that helps.

    Steve.
     
  17. Buzz

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    I think you'd find that with the current anti gun climate, they'd release rapists and murders to make room. They're certainly still banging up people up for owing council tax, because I know someone who has just gone in for 60 days for owing the council just over £500.
     
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    Does anyone know of someone being put in prison for being found to own an over the limit air rifle? That's without committing an offence with it? I'm not saying it hasn't happened but I've never heard of it.
     
  19. Buzz

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    The offence IS owning it without a valid FAC.

    But in answer to your question, no, I don't personally know anyone jailed for owning an illegal firearm...neither do I know anyone jailed for rape, murder, fraud etc..the list is almost endless. It doesn't mean people aren't jailed for it just because I don't know them. Just think what would happen if the Police found a hand gun and ammunition in your house Mick, would they say "Oh OK Mr Mick, you haven't shot anybody so it's OK" or do you think you'd get your collar felt. In the eyes of the Law a 12.1ft/lb air rifle may as well be an assault rifle, hand gun, machine gun...all the same.

    If it was a RFD you took it to I think they may well have committed an offence too in allowing you to have it back.
     
  20. a1gunner

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    what:eek:

    a bloke has done a hit and run on my great aunt and was charged just £700:mad:

    killed her too
     

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