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Question Air Cylinder Pressure

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Picklehoffer, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. Picklehoffer

    Picklehoffer Donator

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    Hi, just wondering if 234bar is a usable pressure rating for an air cylinder? Found one on ebay but don't want to buy it unless it will fill the new rifle (Hatsan AT44-10 tactical).

    Many thanks! :D
     
  2. yorkshireshoot

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    Should do mate but I'd have a word in redbeck and see what they can do on a 300 bar bottle , gauge and whip if your getting rifle , scope , bag etc they may be able to do you a deal .
     
  3. larryking28

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    Yes it would work but.
    234 bar is 25% less (roughly) than 300 bar so you will get less air for the same size bottle,there is more air in a 3litre 300bar bottle than in a 3litre 234 bar bottle.
    There for it won't last as long.
    Also worth checking what it has been used for before,it has been used as a dive bottle (as in water) then it will need testing every 2.5 years as opposed to one that has only been used on the surface (not in water) that only needs testing every 5 years.
     
  4. cloverleaf

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    Although taking into account the fill pressure of the rifle (say 200bar for simplicity) a 300bar bottle actually offers three times as much useable air as a 234bar cylinder of the same size ;)
     
  5. larryking28

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    So even more of a case not to have a 234bar cylinder then :)
     
  6. cloverleaf

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    Absolutely.. it never ceases to amaze me what apparently uninformed buyers will pay for less-than-ideal (low pressure, out of test, non-ideal valve type) air bottles on ebay.. always pays to do your homework :)
     
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    robin hood diving near gildersome in leeds do 300 bar 3ltr with whip n guage for £149..
     
  8. Picklehoffer

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    It's Redbeck I'm buying the rifle from mate. Their price for a 3l 300 bar bottle is £150. Great bunch of lads in there (and I live a mere 2 miles from the shop!), I haven't got the gun yet but I've put a deposit on it....just need to come across some cash to pay for it! ;)
     
  9. Picklehoffer

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    That's why I posted here before buying ;)....thanks for the heads up chaps, I'm still pretty green with shooting and I've never owned a PCP before. (I'm not buying the cylinder off ebay BTW).
     
  10. yorkshireshoot

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    Yeah they're sound at redbeck was havin a look at the rifle your gettin other day looks tidy mate ! £150 for full set ups not bad at all and if you need it filled there's a place 2 mins from me if there's no where close by you I don't mind taking it for ya pal
    Edit , just remembered they fill em at redbeck ! If I wasn't bald I'd be blonde
     
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  11. Picklehoffer

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    :D Cheers mate, all advice appreciated! Decided to stay with Redbeck....£3 a fill for a 3l cylinder! :up:
     
  12. Hightower

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    This takes some beating for a new 3ltr bottle, add about £7 for delivery.

    http://www.godive.net/go-shoot/charging-kit/3-litre-300-bar-charging-kit-with-mde-valve.html

    I'll also send you guys a handy link to a conversion site. You can work out how many charges at a
    certain pressure you can get from different sized bottles which is very handy when looking for cylinders.

    http://airgun-hq.co.uk/airgunhq/Tools/Calculators/tabid/54/Default.aspx

    PS. Don't discount a 232 cylinder if the price is right, go buy it!
     
  13. colin c

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    WEBLEY RAIDER HELP.

    Can anybody help,when I fill my Webley Raider 2 shot,take probe out there is a slight hissing from where the probe goes,anybody know what the problem is.
     
  14. stevemandm

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    Are you fully bleeding the air from the whip before removing the fill adapter ?
     
  15. jantar

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    One thing you MUST do is to ascertain how long the 5 year cylinder safety certification has remaining. It is 5 years from when an air cylinder was bought new. It wont be much use if you buy it then discover that is almost oit of fitness and you have to then pay for its inspection. Worse if it fails the test and you then have lost what you have paid.
    Best idea is to shop around and go for a new re-charge kit. There are now so many offers on 300Bar kits that they are becoming cheaper by the month.
    £150 for a 3 litre is now about the going rate at many suppliers. Be safe not sorry!
     
  16. larryking28

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    Rams bottom have a 3l cylinder for £127.
    it is obviously empty and I doubt that includes delivery but still a good price from a company many have had good dealings with.
    I would rather pay a few extra £s and stick with a company I trust rather than penny pinch over a few quid.

    http://www.jsramsbottom.com/product...r-filling-kit-with-gauge--valve-and-hose.html

    Comes out at £135 delivered when I just tried.
     
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  17. colin c

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    Yes Stevemandm always release pressure from whip,got it sorted,was a bit of dirt in probe port,thanks.
     
  18. DaveF

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    Definatley go for 300 bar bottle - must have a bleed valve and preferably a slow fill valve. get a safety talk when you buy if you can, the tanks are fine if used correctly but can be very dangerous if miss used or abused. do not leave in direct sunlight or a hot car in the summer. My re filler who test tanks and knows everything, taught me a lot and made me aware how dangerous they can be.
     
  19. mark112

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    Hi,

    There must be lots of people like me that have 232bar bottles that have given good service over the years and will continue to do so. I see these bottles coming up for sale second hand at prices like £75 for a 12 litre one with around four years test remaining. Based on filling up a rifle such as an AA S400 you will get almost twice as many refills from the 12L 232 bar as opposed to a 3L 300 bar one (46 against 24).

    I would say that for the right price and test date dont ignore a good 232 bar one. My own 232bar 12L one will be going up for sale when I finally get around to changing to a large 300 bar one (fewer trips to refill shop) and I'd like to think some one will get a lot of use out of it. They don't die when the test date comes round they usually just need retesting. My last one was £30 if I remember correctly.

    Mark
     
  20. Picklehoffer

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    Thanks all, I've now bought a brand new 3l 300 bar bottle, regulator and whip (aye, it's got a bleed valve) from Redbeck. I live a mere 2 miles from the shop so 3l was the way to go for me!
    Cheers for all the great help and advice! :up: :D
     

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