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Air Arms TX200SR Mk2

Discussion in 'Gun Gallery' started by cloverleaf, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    As is sometimes the case, this fell into my lap unexpectedly a while ago:

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    It's a Mk2 TX200SR in Walnut; infuriatingly and unfeasibly in the knuckle-dragger's calibre.

    I'm not sure how old it is but IIRC the SR was only made up until about 1996, so it has to be at least 21yrs of age. I'm not going to go into reams of background detail as I suspect I've already done this with my other SR, however in a nutshell the SR is a Semi-Recoilless variant of the ever-popular TX200 that was available for a relatively short space of time between 1991 and 1996.

    The principal is simple (the execution somewhat less so) - the action is mounted to a rail inside the stock via a fairly crude setup with nylon bearings; when the gun is fired the action can freely slide rearward, transmitting minimal recoil to the shooter through the stock and in principal eliminating hold sensitivity (and thus making the gun a lot easier to shoot).

    While innovative and certainly interesting, these heavy, complex, expensive guns ultimately fell foul of the increasing popularity of comparatively lightweight and easy to use springers throughout the '90s.


    This one came to me with the scope shown, however I've since found out that this would only focus down to 30yd and in a chance encounter flogged it to a bloke to use on his rimfire at 100yd - so that was a result :)

    The rifle's in reasonable condition for its age with no show-stopping issues.. there are spots on the metalwork where light surface rust has been removed in the past and there are light longitudinal scratches where the previous owner has evidently tried to polish the bluing with a brillo pad :rolleyes:

    The stock has many little dings but is pretty much intact and would probably lend itself well to being refinished, if I could be arsed and didn't already have a massive backlog of woodwork that requires attention..


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    Since I already have a RH Walnut Mk1 in .177 my initial thought was to move the gun on, however the more time I spend with it, the more tempted I am to hang onto it.

    I'd done some work on this rifle some years ago for the previous owner (a new spring, guide, seal and general tidy-up). However it wasn't at its best when it came back, as a trip to the range quickly showed.

    The rifle was dieselling fairly heavily and had a fair amount of slop in the sledge bearings. Grouping was initially promising but soon went to sh*te, most likely for the above reasons. I resolved to strip the gun and give it a cleanout; invariably one thing led to another and it got a bit more work than intended.

    The SR is a bit of a ballache to work on as the sledge assembly has to be removed in order to access the spring and piston. A job that requires the removal of four screws and a boss on the standard rifle takes substantially longer on the SR as you have to remove three stock bolts, one e-clip and pivot pin to allow the cocking linkage to come off, two nyloc nuts on the sledge (along with the rail and bearings) and finally one boss to get the back block off.

    What's infuriating is that every time this is done the settings on the sledge bearings are lost; which are critical to getting the rifle operating correctly - if the bearings are too loose there will be play in the setup which will cause inaccuracy; too tight and the rifle ceases to become "recoilless" as more recoil force is transmitted to the stock. The sledge has an irritating habit of loosening up after a few shots too; requiring the stock and cocking linkage to come off again to tweak up the bearings..
     
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  2. EastmidsHD

    EastmidsHD Keep pullin' that trigger..

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    I was looking at a couple of these when they appeared on freeads over the past few months, I'm wondering though Mike knowing what you know about AA and was given the choice would you go with the SR or a TX200 if you had to pick one now?
     
  3. cloverleaf

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    Anyway the gun came to bits, excess oil was cleaned from inside the compression tube and while it was out I gave the exterior a bit of a polish to lessen some of the inevitable light rust staining these guns often show (pics show the tube as it was before the work).

    Two new breech seals were fitted as those present (or at least the front one) were pretty shafted - sadly this rifle's appetite for breech seals is just as bad as any other TX..

    The gun went back together and was tested over the chrono at around 11ftlb with AADF. Apart again it came so I could sling in a couple of preload washers, bringing the output up to around 11.5ftlb. The sledge was set up again and the trigger adjusted (they're usually quite nice, although this one seems a little spongy and has a bit more 2nd stage travel than I'd like). As usual this job is more involved than on a standard TX; requiring the removal of the stock and part of the action.

    Excited by the rifle's hopefully new-regained potential, I slung on the Sidewinder I'd removed from the EV2 and carted it up the club. Unfortunately the combination of the gun's format, the scope's mass and the sh*te Hawke mounts meant the scope wouldn't sit still on the receiver and kept moving rearward under surge.

    I did get one or two promising groups (certainly better than last time) but I really need to test it with a lighter scope and better (preferably one-piece) mounts.

    That's as it stands atm - torn as to whether to hang onto it or move it on; on the one hand I already have a nicer example in a better and more appropriate calibre. On the other I don't have a Mk2, they must be getting increasingly rare, will probably only increase in value and the calibre's largely irrelevant since I'm unlikely to use it much; although it does shoot nicely freestanding - probably because of its mass as much as the recoilless setup.

    So, there we go. Another dilemma!

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    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    It comes down to your reasons for buying them.

    The standard TX is rightly regarded as one of the best off-the-shelf springers and shoots very well in its own right. They're generally super-reliable and very easy to work on, although the cylinder lockup and breech seal arrangement is their achille's heel.

    By contrast the SR is a much more demanding, fickle but ultimately potentially rewarding beast. In its favour you get an action that pretty much eliminates hold sensitivity, a (potentially) nicer trigger and a more target-centric stock with a deeper forend. On the down side it's more convoluted and takes longer to strip, requires more time and skill to set up correctly (and will perform poorly if if drifts "out of tune") and many parts are obsolete (although if the gun's looked after "specialist" bits rarely need replacing). Added to this it's heavier, harder to cock (at least at the end of the stroke when the action "sets" forward) and much harder on scopes and mounts.

    Having an SR as a working gun would be a hard sell (especially as a PCP would better it in pretty much every way), however it's a wonderful rifle to own - it oozes character; harking back to an era when the airgun industry was genuinely an interesting place to be and alive with innovation. The rifle's chunky and unique lines hint that it's a fair bit more special than a standard TX while the recoilless firing cycle still feels novel even today as only a handful of springers employed this system before PCPs conquered the world. If you've never fired one it's an interesting experience - giving a sensation of movement but not in the singular manner or to the same magnitude you expect from a springer.

    IME the gun is no more accurate than a standard rifle in experienced hands, however the lack of recoil makes the gun so much more forgiving in use by mere mortals!

    The TX200SR is 100% a classic collectable and very analagous to a classic car IMO - never the first choice on practicality grounds, but a joy to own and use simply because of what it is and how special it feels :)
     
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  5. EastmidsHD

    EastmidsHD Keep pullin' that trigger..

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    Thanks for that, I've had a TX which I enjoyed but I wanted something a little different springer wise and I think you've just answered my thoughts :up:
     
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    The Robin Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Very nice, you certainly get interesting stuff Mike. I've shot a few at the local club but never got on with them, maybe they where out of tune so to speak. One thing for sure is that there getting rarer and keeping a nice example of one would be nice
     
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    That's a nice looking SR. I managed to find a reasonably priced MK2 .22 after a few months of searching and within 3 weeks found a MK1 .177. I had to settle for beech stocks though, so I'm a little jealous. :)

    My MK2 needed a good tidy-up, new cocking-shoe and the nyloc sled bolts were worn (I used Aerotight nuts as replacements and had no movement whatsoever, so I would definitely recommend them)
    I believe that a few owners overtightened the nylocs which caused the sled, eventually, to loosen. There is/was a YouTube video of an SR being fired (as a 'pellet on scope' parlour trick), in which the sled doesn't move. The bottom stock bolt has been known to loosen if mistreated too.
    I use the advise that the action moves in the stock when the rifle (uncocked) is tilted to about 45 degrees.

    Both mine were easily as accurate as most PCPs. I sold the MK2........ and kept the MK1.
     
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    Enjoyable reading, thanks for posting :)
     
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    I enjoyed that - interesting rig :cool:

    Long may cool stuff 'fall into your lap' Mike. :up:
     

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