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Air Arms S400 at 100 yards

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by cloverleaf, Aug 10, 2014.

  1. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Honorary Member

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    So... went up the club last week; the plan being to benchmark my (not-particularly-well-grouping) HW100 against my (known-good) Air Arms S400 MPR parts bin mongrel; for use as evidence should I have decided to return the HW to HC and complain about its poor performance.

    As it happened the HW was shooting "acceptably" following a barrel clean (a shade under 11mm c-c average at 35yds over 4x10 shot groups with Exacts), however the Air Arms wasn't excelling itself on this occasion; printing similarly-sized groups with AA Express at the same range.

    The Express pellets are from a batch of 10 tins I purchased on the strength of a tin of the same batch no; however unfortunately the pellets I bought in bulk were supplied to the shop in a later shipment - one that was evidently kicked around the sorting room floor, judging by the amount of damaged pellets present :mad:

    Anyway, in the absence of anything better to do I put the backstop out at 50m (55yds) and shot a few more groups; the AA behaving itself reasonably and averaging around 20mm c-c with me doing my best to inspect and reject damaged pellets as I shot. Out of sheer buggeration (and since it turned out to be an incredibly still night) I put a card out at 100yds and fired 20 shots at it from the bench; below is the resulting group:

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    The group measures around 54mm c-c or a shade over 2" and is easily the best group I've managed at this range. This was with the Sidewinder wound right up to 14x and aiming high (by about 2.5-3ft) at another aperture further up the target frame.

    I have to come clean and state that there was one very low shot just on the bottom edge of the card; but this could easily have been a duff pellet or (more likely) driver error if I got the POA wrong on that shot.

    Obviously it's not up to rimfire of centrefire standards, the slightest hint of breeze would have ruined it all and I'd never consider hunting past 35-40yds; however I think this is very impressive for a sub-12ftlb rifle :)
     
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  2. Elk hunter

    Elk hunter Keyboard Hero

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    I've seen worse with factory ammo in a couple of c/f rifle down at minsterly range a few years back.

    I think the groups is very decent good shooting

    Andrew
     
  3. Picklehoffer

    Picklehoffer Ministry of Foolishness

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    Looks good to me mate! I have an S400.....brilliant thing!
     
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    gtfreight Not so busy member.

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    Considering the drop is going to be over 2ft (if zeroed at 35yds) I think that is excellent. Was this done indoors or outdoors?
     
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    Looks pretty good to me!
     
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    Cheers guys :)

    Yup - fantastic consistency from the AA Express - I wonder how much better it could have been had they been in better shape..

    It was outdoors - if I had access to a 100yd indoor range I'd be like a pig in Censored tbh :p


    Thanks - good shooting in that vid although b*llocks to standing at the target filming while my mate shot though - haven't they ever heard of a tripod!? :eek:
     
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    engraver Keyboard Hero

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    :D I have to admit I thought even at 100yrds it would sting a bit.
     
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    Think daz and steve did a few videos didnt they elliot ?? There was a few in the long range crowed sure more than a few videos were posted

    Very good shooting that cloverleaf very very good for sub 12 atvb dave
     
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    Excellent group mate..! I'd have been more than happy with the 20mm c-c at 55 yards....:eek:....:up:

    The only long range stuff I've tried was from a hide on a very quiet pigeon day. There was a knot in a post in front of a bank over the other side of the field, it was 65 yards away and took me at least 6 shots to work out the drop. The nearest I got in 10 shots was about an inch away, most missed at the side of the post or were over 2" up or down..! There was a slight breeze now and then and I was just propped on shooting sticks, that's my excuse..:eek: I use an s400 that groups great out to 35 yards on AA Diablo Fields and runs at 11.4ftlbs but that's my limit.

    Great shooting Cloverleaf.......:up:
     
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    when the pcp's are running right groupings can be tiny.
    my shooting buddy just did about of 1" group edge to edge at 75yards! in .22! in the sticks! he has been trying new pellets out and cleaning the barrel etc... it was a hw100 kt (but actually the equivalent of the modern t model) running at 10ft lb.

    i was supprised how well it grouped! he also did 35 and 50 which were consistently smaller.
     
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    Image sorted..
     
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    TrickyDicky Life in the slow lane

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    I would say that pretty dam good at 100yds i like to shoot from 50 to 100 Yds and i dont think i could do that good even on a calm day.:thumb:
     
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    Here's mine with the sub 12 Mk1 Airwolf.
     
  15. Jasglo68

    Jasglo68 Its not about the size it’s where you put it !!

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    But you missed :laff:
     
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    Haha not quite, the target was the point of aim not the intended point of impact. If I shot the aim point out then future shots wouldn't have had the same point of aim ;)
     
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    Nice work - that's a fantastic group :)

    I must admit that as much as I dislike Daystate and their products, I can't deny that the electronic guns seem to give fantastic accuracy (providing their mags aren't pished / shrouds aren't wonky of course :rolleyes:).
     
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    I've completely removed the shroud and attached a moderator directly to the barrel. Chops a good length off and eliminates the clipping it suffered with.
    Rich
    P.s ditched the mag too as it's far more accurate at range using the single load tray.
     
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    Nice work - sounds like yours was afflicted with the usual ailments to start with then, too!

    I must admit I'm intrigued by how far you could push the electronic platform in terms of accuracy and efficiency; I reckon a fully-mappable rifle with massive porting could be incredible..
     
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    It's already very efficient as it uses the Harper valve system. A fully programmable board would be nice yes but it's already programmed to be as efficient as can be.
    I've wondered though if a modified or different solenoid could improve things further.
    Rich
     

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