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Agf Sales............how?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Wofty, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. Claypole

    Claypole Keyboard Hero

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    The government has said that the postal service should be kept running, and hospitals are amongst the heaviest users of the service.

    As a service engineer for postal equipment, I've noticed a big downturn in outgoing mail from large companies, like banks, or universities, a lot of it is now in electronic format. The NHS however, still send out huge amounts of mail: appointments, cancellations, test results, and sometimes medical supplies.

    Sending stuff using couriers or Royal Mail can potentially transmit the disease, but the risk is quite low, as long as normal precautions are taken. Picking up a packet of toilet roll or pasta in the supermarket is probably a much greater risk, seeing as the shelf stacker would have only handled it very recently.

    I posted a parcel today, using my local post office, and took the usual precautions. It was on my way to work, so it's not as if I went out of the house just to post a parcel.
     
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    New England Medical Journal, Journal of Hospital Infection.
     
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    you would be lucky to get the chance, neither in my local supermarket yet.....did manage to get a dozen eggs and a couple of loaves today though
     
  4. Jonkem

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    I may be mistaken but both of those state that the virus ability to infect has greatly reduced and they don't know the simple answer.

    I'm not saying don't take whatever precautions you feel happiest with but if an envelope can pass through the whole system and your letter box and still remain infectious, don't you think the instruction would be to seal your letter box?
     
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    Whoever does grab them though, is most at risk of getting infected. However If this was a prime way of verting infected, then it would be the panic buyers who got it the most.
     
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    apologies missing the banter at work already..............only two days in grrrrrrrrr!
     
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    Was purely playing devils advocate. I'm not backing any argument, just pointing out that others have found evidence suggesting that it can hang around for longer than a few hours. Nobody (by which I mean the doctors and scientists) seems to have a clue about anything right now, so some may wish to hedge their bets, rather than just assume its all ok because it's not been conclusively proven otherwise.
     
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    World Health Organisation:
    Is it safe to receive a package from any area where COVID-19 has been reported?
    Yes. The likelihood of an infected person contaminating commercial goods is low and the risk of catching the virus that causes COVID-19 from a package that has been moved, travelled, and exposed to different conditions and temperature is also low.

    New England Journal of Medicine:

    It is technically possible a package or mail coming to your house is contaminated with virus picked up somewhere along the way by people handling or coughing on it.
    however a New England Journal of Medicine study found the infection risk is very low because the survival time on cardboard is thought to be around one day.
    And unlike plastic surfaces, cardboard is porous. That means a droplet would probably penetrate into the material and may not be so easily picked up when you touch the package.
    Last Updated 25th March 2020

    Parcelforce:
    Public Health England (PHE) has advised that people receiving parcels are not put at any additional risk of contracting the coronavirus (COVID-19).
    We are actively monitoring this rapidly evolving situation. We take the health and safety of our people and customers very seriously. We have provided guidance to our people, our customers and communities in which we operate, to help prevent the spread of any infection. We are doing so in line with preventative guidance from PHE.

    What I take from the above is that if gloves are worn when disposing of the outer wrapping/box, or if the hands are washed immediately afterwards then the chance of being infected is as low. When it comes to the item itself I would suggest anything with a hard impervious surface is wiped down with IPA/surgical spirit etc. The virus has been found to survive longest on the likes of plastic and stainless steel.
     
  9. Curlyhunter.22

    Curlyhunter.22 Better to be p****d off the p****d on.

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    I think there struggling abit as ive been waiting 9 days for a parcel from @rob3082 he tells me its still in transit.

    I work next to a sorting office... they still look busy.

    CC
     
  10. Jonkem

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    Naturally your sentiments are correct as far as I'm concerned :up:

    I'm just a bit fed up reading threads and news stories that start with good intentions and very quickly escalate and get blown out of all proportion.

    It's like a very serious Chinese whispers game gone horribly wrong.

    Like today about construction sites, because of a few large sites working as normal, pressure is being put on the government to close down all construction. They are currently resisting and reminding everyone about social distancing policy, which is what should happen. NOT just implement a blanket ban, when many sites are operating correctly, simply because the internet generation have decided it is thus.

    Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
     
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    2-3 days on plastic, up to 9 days on metal.
     
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    Thank you for that and does that state the virus is definitely able to infect humans for the whole of that time or that it simply exists?
     
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    Ha ha, don’t apologise mate, banter is a vital thing. Lincoln is the home of the demented ferret that trades as City Airweapons. I’ve seen him being absolutely horrible to lots of people but, for some reason, he’s always really nice to me. Plus, he does good deals on pellets. Lincoln also has a very nice.... erm....errr...ooh.... erm Cathedral! Yes, that’s it, a nice cathedral. :rolleyes::D
     
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    Oh b****r, have I got to try and find the article again? :D
    Hostly can't remember, just repeating what I read yesterday from some US research paper.
     
  15. Jonkem

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    :D:D:D It's the internet generation thing mate, you need cleansing :)

    They all start off with an attention grabbing lead and way down the paper they say that in very specific circumstances the virus still exists on the surface but potential for transmission of viable material is minute.

    Why don't they just refer back to the advice they got from their mum in the 1960s, that has always proved correct :D:D:D
     
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    We could start another thread about him. Not used him for years despite being only three miles from me. Horror stories come regularly from club members but as you say some people do get on with him. Maybe similar people?
     
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    I don't disagree with that mindset. As I say, I was playing devils advocate, and on the science front, couldn't argue either way.

    On the practicality front, the whole "don't travel unless necessary" is just like what you say about construction. They do not account for context and penalise those who'd be at nor pose any risk. I encountered far far more people on my walk this afternoon than had I gotten in the car and driven onto the hills and walked.
     
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    Agree 100% there. I saw 2 blokes today fishing at my local lake, at opposite ends. Technically not following guidelines but in no danger of harming anyone.
     
  19. Wofty

    Wofty 'This is the way'

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    I don't remember the cathedral..........
    I went to Lincoln, got pie faced, swamped someones bed and woke up with no memory except the bed was wet and stinky....
    I'm sure its lovely though..........
    :laff:
     
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  20. Jonkem

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    Yep, I had 2 essential journeys today, one to help a vulnerable person and one to fill the truck with fuel. Roads were empty but many many people walking in the same place and passing each other too close. Mostly looking through shop windows seeing what they can't buy.

    Go somewhere where nobody else is FFS it's not complicated. :facepalm:

    I can't accept that everybody is as thick as they act. Social distancing isn't complicated. Maybe 2m is causing the problem and they don't know it means 6' 6" :shrug:
     
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