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Agf 2019 Thanks & Results

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by milek, Aug 25, 2019.

  1. milek

    milek Honorary Member

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    This is easy Chris. To promote that community is to ensure future donations by keeping the members interested and meets certainly do that. One would think that over the six years the forum owners would at least once offer some support in bolstering that community. So far not a single contribution has taken place.
     
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    Seamaster Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Easy enough to go round in circles I suppose. I’m off to bed.
     
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    norman Donator

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    Okay...thank you...maybe Andy might be able to answer this one..:thumb:
     
  4. KeithJ23

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    Speaking as a Forum member, attendee and Lane Sponsor all I can say is this thread seems to be alienating the forum from the meet and vice-versa.

    It would be great if there was some sort of official recognition from "the forum" but the meet is about the members and not "the forum".

    I think now the matter has been raised to Mods etc, then maybe - in the future some behind the scenes negation could be done for some kind of sponsorship deal?

    At the end of the day any sponsors for any event should be voluntary - even from the powers that be!

    Just my 2 cents worth. Hopefully not annoying or upsetting anyone! I had a great time, met some great people and tried venison for the 1st time! Lol
     
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    whitevanman574 Donator

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    it was a great weekend thanks guys and nice to meet some old friends again
     
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  6. Sky

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    I would have loved to have come to the meeting - not to take part, but to meet people and put faces to names as well as to add my support to the effort that goes into organising it.

    However, as most of you already know; I am disabled and I use a powered wheelchair (I can't use a manual one) that would need charging overnight, so camping is out of the question. On grass and uneven ground it is mostly impossible to run on - I would also need to bring my Assistance Dog as I go nowhere without him and certainly couldn't manage.

    I am disheartened to read such malcontent over the generosity of Andy and the forum's moderators and quite frankly sickened to read that some people expect to know where the 'donated' money goes. Andy is entitled to do what he likes with the forum and the money that is raised from it. He works hard in the background to keep this system running and updated regularly with software patches etc. (I know because I've done it myself in the past) and he also holds down a full-time job too.

    I put between six and twelve hours a day of my time - mostly seven days a week into keeping things running smoothly on here. The other moderators put a lot of time in too - some more than me, some less, but it's ALL voluntary; none of us receive anything in return except an occasional thank you from a very small amount of members. Still, for some of you it's just not enough is it?
     
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    norman Donator

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    If this is aimed at me...you seem to have taken things personally....ALL I asked was...what happens to the excess monies raised every month donated by generous forum members..me included..:shrug:
     
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    milek Honorary Member

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    Generosity of the moderators?? Where were the mods mentioned? Once again the them and us attitude kicks in where it doesn’t exist.
     
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    Tadpole Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    I'm in total agreement with the comments Trevor has made.
    What's all this about, sour grapes or something. I'm totally surprised to read this after all the 'goodwill' throughout the pages of The Meet?
    I am absolutely disgusted frankly, it's a two way thing give a take imo.
    The forum exists because of the members who are the forum without both it's nothing.

    Scott posted & you agree .. Admin make money & benefit from the higher profile of the forum name due to the goodwill of the members for the chosen charity.

    Time for a rebrand Mick...

    I was unaware of a 'six year' spat that you talk about Mick. You along with the guys that organize the meet presumably do it for their own reasons none of which I thought was kudos.
    A charity has benefited financially, members & their families have enjoyed a weekend together.
    Underlining all this hard work is dissatisfaction, I'm still appalled.

    Mick & I quote posted 'We are lucky to have such generous members but my days of pointing new shooters here are over'.

    So where will you directing them Mick maybe start a new forum?


    It would appear due to the fact that no one on the admin team contributed a payment/sponsorship or turned up Mick & others are unhappy enough to say 'stuff you guys', that how it looks to me.

    I take this statement as a personal insult as part of the admin team, expecting payment for something I do not attend (I thought it was voluntary) also due to fact I'm not a HFT or any other discipline inclined person I should be tarred & feathered.

    I am still in shock guys I can tell you.... :mad:
     
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    milek Honorary Member

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    I won't be directing them anywhere Terry. The mods were not mentioned with reference to the donations and in fact, one did donate and one turned up, again you are looking for something that just isn't there. Yes, purely voluntary, nobody said otherwise. Many donators didn't attend so I have no idea where you are going with that. Forget the financial aspect, a bit of encouragement or even a "thank you" in six years would have been enough to show ones appreciation and that is not aimed at the mods before you continue looking for dirt.
     
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    Just a thought on keeping the meet to members only:

    I've got feet in both camps here, as I shoot all the major HFT competitions, all the UKAHFT series etc, but also am active on the forum.

    If it was opened up to anyone then it would DEFINITELY be inundated with a more experienced crowd. Its a simple fact thats Nomads puts out some of the most technical HFT courses in the country, and this time of year everyone would jump on the chance for an additional days practice before the final round of the UK series and worlds. The atmosphere might be more HFT focused and less about the forum/charity.

    Keeping it to members definitely promotes a more inclusive 'come and have a go' vibe. So I'm all for members only.

    Unfortunately I didn't know if we could attend until very late, but next year I'm hoping to be more prepared. Laura has said she would like to see some more ladies shooting and would be happy to go round the course with any ladies who wanted to give it a go. And I'd do the same with any springer shooters who wanted some advice (although maybe no-one would want it after the last few weeks I've had :oops:).

    Maybe next year we could have a sub-thread with people wanting to be paired up for the morning shoot, and get the regular hft people (who are also members) to see if they fit the bill.
     
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  12. Tadpole

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    You won't be directing new shooters here for what reason?

    So posting 'have a great week end guys' & 'well done on the winners is not encouragement' along with editing moving threads & post around which admin do voluntary on a daily basis is for what?
     
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    You appear very defensive Trevor where there is no reference to the mods or the support from them (in my own case) so get off your high horse. My issue is with an owner that has provided sweet f/a in encouragement, thanks or donations in the six years I have been organising meets. I have lost count of the members that I have personally sent the way of this forum and I wonder what the value is to their donations. Moving in the shooting circles I do I do this a lot.

    That is the basis for me not wishing to advise shooters to sign up here.

    Why you do what you do as a moderator is for you to answer, not me.
     
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    Was the Forum Admin or Owner actually asked to contribute to/support/sponsor the meet? Or is their lack of pro-activity in this particular area being interpreted as likely refusal?
     
  15. milek

    milek Honorary Member

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    The invitation went out to all members. Of course he may have missed the thread.
     
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  16. pjgtech

    pjgtech How many days till Xmas?

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    Wow this threads taken a turn for the worse, why? :facepalm:
    Everyone calm down, count to 10, and breathe....
    Personally I think the forum meet is great, I love reading about it and I really must try to get to one.
    Thanks to the organisers and those who donate.
    I also really appreciate the owner for providing the forum, the mods for, well, modding (which I know is a thankless task!)
    I also personally gain a lot from this forum, with lots of useful info and lots of members always willing to offer advise or help.
    I occasionally contribute towards the upkeep of the forum, as a thank you.
    Now stop f*igging bickering! :)
     
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  17. Scott

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    Terry I think you and Trevor seemed to have picked up the wrong end of the stick, you certainly seem to have taken comments personally where none were aimed.
    My point was that no encouragement came from admin over the event from which the forum undoubtedly does benefit from a higher standing due to the charity side.

    Nothing was mentioned about the mods, we know you all work hard and I myself have publicly and privately said countless times that you do a thankless job but I appreciate everything you do as volunteers.
    And I still stand by that opinion!

    I apologise unreservedly to the mods for my offhand comment that seems to have gotten so many of you backs up..

    Month after month Andy sets a donation target which is always greatly exceeded, so sending a tenner to the charity in the forums name would be a nice gesture,,
    Also taking a few minutes out of his time to thank or congratulate his members for the amazing work and the charity donations would make a massive difference too.

    That was my whole point!

    As for the rebrand comment, it should be called "Nomads summer meet for AGF members" as they are the main sponsors of the meet and it is still solely aimed at AGF members.
     
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  18. milek

    milek Honorary Member

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    Spot on Scott.
     
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  19. Tadpole

    Tadpole Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    I've said my piece.
    I don't know what your motives are for posting this, what did you seek to achieve, I wonder did you even ask to use the AGF name in the beginning?
     
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    Surely using the agf name would boost the sport though and promote us in a good light through donating to charity?
     
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