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AA S410 service in Suffolk

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by suffolkshot, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. suffolkshot

    suffolkshot Well-Known Member

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    Hey guys...I am looking for someone in suffolk that could service my s410 rifle...and hopefully remove the anti tamper too! Does anyone know of anyone that could help with this? Cheers!
     
  2. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    1) Why do you need the Anti Tamper removed?

    2) I know of someone just across the border in Norfolk, but they are very unlikely to remove the anti tamper without good reason as they are a time serve gun smith and RFD!
     
  3. jjones

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    why? it is not illegal to remove, as it is not a legal requirement to have anti tamper.

    and as for why remove it, YOU are responsible for your guns output, if it is running over you can then reduce the power level.
     
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  4. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Why not? Imagine somebody is lifted by the police after having their gun worked on and anti tamper removed. Police test gun and find it is an unlicensed FAC. Standard defence goes something like this "Must have come back from the gun shop like that!" Which is why if a non FAC rifle is running at close to the limit, is under 12 ft lb and it just needs a service, most gunsmiths will not remove anti tamper, it is after all their business and they do not like being accused on making a sub 12 into ones that need a license!

    I agree anti tamper is a pain in the backside and is not necessary, but if your rifle is not woefully underpowered or above the limit, most gunsmiths will leave anti tamper alone as they do not want the unnecessary and unwarranted investigations that may and probably would result from muppets being caught with guns over 12 ft lb!
     
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  5. AGF STAFF

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    Are you basing this on any facts, or is it just your own opinion?
     
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  6. Akita177

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    To do a full service the anti tampers need removing to strip the gun.
     
  7. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Akita, it is possible that if someone is an Air Arms seller and service agent that they will have the tools to remove and refit the anti tamper screws! Ever considered that?
     
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    you are responsible for your rifles output, no one else.

    it is irrelevant if the RFD has been fiddling with it.

    In the same vane, if you buy a new Anti Tamper fitted gun, by law when you pick it up it should be under the limit, with a few weeks use if it creeps over the limit it is still you who is responsible.

    This is why I do not want Anti Tamper on my gun, I want to be able to keep it legal and have the ability to adjust this myself without having to have the inconvenience of taking it and collecting it from an RFD, be without the gun for X amount of time and then pay for the privilege.
     
  9. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    It may be your responsibility but that does not stop you blaming someone if you are caught with a gun the wrong side of 12, which is what people do. I know, it has happened in the past to other RFDs who have been under severe investigation and even had their licenses suspended whilst the investigation was carried out. How would you like it if someone came and stopped you from working and gave you no pay for months whilst some lies were investigated? You would not be quite so in arms then!
     
  10. Akita177

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    I strip, service and tune my own PCPs and adjust the power depend on which pellets im using at the time, anti tamper can go to hell as far as im concerned.
    Theres no need to justify yourself for not wanting anti tamper.
     
  11. essex sniper

    essex sniper Banned

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    If removing tne anti tamper is such a big deal why will all the manufacturers remove them at your request ?
     
  12. Clubshot

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    I am sure that Air Arms - Still does not supply any Dealer Gun Smith with AT Service Kits

    But will remove it - if Returned for a Service Etc - If requested

    AT is a Total Joke and Not a Legal requirement -

    Was brought in by UK Trade years ago under a threat that went away -

    Reason I continue to State buy a gun without having it chronoed with own choice of pellets
    Is suicide these days

    As manufactures admit they do not Test all Air Guns before release for sale -

    The minute you accept the Gun you are legally liable for it's Power -

    If over - the problems Start - as some Dealers are not Fire Arms Rated so technically can not sort issues

    Aware of several Gunsmiths of AA owners forum Board - had a couple come to Lea Valley over the years
    and work on Members Guns

    BOB/R
     
  13. cloverleaf

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    Ever considered that some of us on the forum like to be in control of our own equipment, rather than constantly relying on the costly services of others to do for us the jobs that we're quite entitled, able (and arguably legally obliged) to do ourselves?

    Ever considered that we don't want to pay a third party for several hours extra work so that he can hammer some poorly-fitting crap back into our rifles because some ill-informed career p***k in the government (or airgun industry :rolleyes:) decided we're all too f*cking stupid and irresponsible to work on products upon which we have spent our money and legally own?

    Ever considered that some of us might want to avoid the very real possibility of paying money for our guns to be irreparably damaged every time they need to be stripped for something as simple as a clean and lube or the replacement of a failed seal?

    AT is not law and while the "it came from the gunsmiths like that, gov" defense in all liklihood might work if the AT is still present, it has no basis in law; ultimately if the gun is over the top you're still responsible and they can still crucify you if they wish.

    An attitude like yours is precisely the type that can sink a sport like ours - AT is a misguided, unnecessary pain in the arse. If we as a sport afford it any legitimacy whatsoever, it makes it easier for those with an agenda to take advantage of us and manipulate us as they see fit. People who are afraid to remove it only serve to reinforce the false assumption by others that it would be ill-advisable or against the law to do so - spreading this fallacy and making it easier for our overlords to tighten the noose around our necks in future as and when they see fit.

    To be honest subscribing to this attitude of "mummy says I'm not grown-up enough to work on my own property, I'd better go and pay an adult to do it for me who'll take all the precautions to ensure I can't work on my own property in future" makes me feel physically sick. Yet again it's more misguided, overbearing and authoritarian BS that serves no real purpose other than making our lives more difficult.

    In summary, screw anti-tamper, screw the self-righteous Censored who drempt it up and screw all the spineless, subservient sheep who blindly bow to our masters' will in purposely retaining the anti-tamper on their guns. AT is the thin end of the wedge and the more we accept it, the faster you'll find the fat end of the wedge sticking out of somewhere you probably don't much appreciate :rolleyes:

    In summary AT belongs in one place - the bin. Anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or doesn't know what they're talking about ;)
     
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  14. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    This is not the case - AA service centres are provided with tooling and training, but also the strict instruction that anything that originally had AT must have it refitted before being returned to the customer. Having asked them, they have unequivocally stated that they will not supply guns without AT, or remove it at request.
     
  15. Garth

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    Anti Tamper is just a big con!,
     
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  16. essex sniper

    essex sniper Banned

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    What like a road cone lol
     
  17. Garth

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    lmao all fingers and thumbs, CON !
     
  18. stuart2477

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    Cloverleaf, I doff my cap to you sir! Well said, exactly sums up what most responsible air gun owners think of AT including myself!
     
  19. cloverleaf

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    Thanks! (especially for quoting it so that all my spelling and grammatical mistakes are immortalised forever :p)
     
  20. Chinnymonster81

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    Thank . the person who thought up AT doesn't drive a luxury 4x4 or does he? Lets hope not or Cloverleaf may stroke out on us and then who is going to write all those interesting articles.
     

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