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AA anti tamper ?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Hoodster, May 25, 2014.

  1. Hoodster

    Hoodster Engaging Member

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    I don't understand what their trying to achieve is it just so your tied down to the Air Arms service & repair network or to stop you altering the rifles power output ?
    From what I can tell you can still access the valve spring and venturi port without removing the anti tamper.
    So it's just a scam to extract extra cash or at least that's how it looks to me :rolleyes: rather than develop new exciting products to tempt the cash out of our pockets they look for ways to cheat us out of it. :mad:
     
  2. Ichabod Armacost

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    Is all the above a pointy ears thing?:confused::)
     
  3. cloverleaf

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    I agree that it's an offensively shoite idea but will avoid repeating the same vitriolic rant I've typed out so many times before.. I'd advise against unscrewing the cylinder with the action block still fitted as you'll risk scratching the finish on the tube and it offers you little in the way of maintenance / tuning opportunities. I would however recommend pulling out all the AT rubbish, setting the rifle up yourself and never letting it near Air Arms again (or any of their "approved service centres" if they refuse to give the gun back without hammering more of this rubbish into it).

    There's a big thread on the AAOC about AT if you want to learn more about the supposed justification for its implementation, as well as a good thread on the Weihrauch OC (but that will require a bit of searching as it's getting on a bit) ;)
     
  4. Hoodster

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    When it comes to being able to alter power or such like you have to try and word things so your not giving out information on doing such a thing as per forum rules so its worded so those that already know such things know what I mean but at the same time I'm giving nothing away. :)
     
  5. Tadpole

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    Try using the search facility, there are 40 threads with something related to your question ;)
     
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    i think that all you say is true of the AT, but also the insurance or litigation debate, whose responsible when things go wrong. and a part of me suspects that in fitting AT the manufacturer is looking for favour from authorities who want tighter restrictions on airguns. a sort of kiss arse before your forced to.
     
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    hello, first thing i do when looking for info, oh mr tadpole which lad are you in photo, some where in the 1950s???
     
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    Well I be somewhat confused..........This 'ere anti tamper device thingy is a device fitted by the manufacturer to prevent their guns being tampered with, ie. power fiddling and the like? Though some seem to be saying that you can bypass the gubbins and fiddle anyway??? Have I got the wrong end of the stick? Also, if I am breaching forum rules asking about such things, may the mods smite me sideways, and banish me to the lost kingdom of Avanteguard, well delete me post anyway!:D
     
  9. Hoodster

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    Yeah that's the point I was getting at.
     
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    Well if it is the case, it's just peculiar innit?
     
  11. SteveO

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    Posts will only get deleted (and the ban hammer cometh) it you post specific details about how to turn power up or down, I believe discussing AT and the merits and pitfalls of it is not a taboo subject... although its been done to death on over 40 threads as Tadpole pointed out.
     
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    I have browsed the thread on the AAOF but not all of it, it is a long thread and before I read that I was in the dark about how bad the anti tamper was having only owned pre-anti tamper rifles or rifles that don't come with such rubbish fitted.
    When I first found out about how intrusive the AT was I thought I wouldn't own a rifle with it fitted but know find myself the owner of a S510 that I picked up for a hand full of bird seed.
     
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  13. Hoodster

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    I don't know if it's just me being useless but every time I use the search function I either get an overwhelming amount of threads or no match results :confused:
    And surely if nothing got reposted or re discussed the forum's would be a much quieter/boring place :)
     
  14. Tadpole

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    So what are you expecting, there will be the same answers give or take .............. :confused:
     
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    I have had 2 S400 series with anti-tamper. Both removed, gun is running better, easier to maintain and keep consistant. The last one was running slightly hot when I bought it as the previous owner didn't know what he was playing with. He sold it as it was "wildly inaccurate" and "not many shots per fill", but is now not only legal, but very accurate (now it has a proper diet) and around 60 shots per fill. I am also getting a very small fps change of single numbers due to being able to keep on top of the hammer.

    Anti-tamper would be fine if it was 1) consistant power for each gun 2) still allowed basic servicing by the user if they want.
     
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    But I haven't heard or seen most of the answers that are hidden amongst the archives so most of it is new to me :)
     
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    The fitting of anti tamper by the main manufacturers (not just Air Arms) accomplishes very little - if anything.
    You, the owner or the person using the air rifle is responsible fir it being legal.
    However the law states that an air rifle is illegal if it can be proved that it is capable of exceeding 12 ftlbs. Unfortunately, just about every air rifle is capable of going over 12 ftlbs by replacing springs etc when taken away by the police and sent off for testing at the testing centres. The fact that the rifle is running below 12 ft lbs when it arrives for testing matters absolutely nowt.
    In order for the police to take your rifle away however, the police must be able to apply a justifiable cause.
    If you are sensible about how you use and where you use your air rifle and keep it legal, you should be safe.
    Anti tamper is a nightmare.

    I had a chat with the MD of Air Arms and she made it clear that Anti Tamper came about as a result of a meeting with a government official and the members of AMTA. Unfortunatley no minutes of this meeting have come to light.
     
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    I would like to see how it held up in court if someone used the excuse that it had AT fitted and was exceeding the 12 limit.
     
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    The law is very straightforward. If you are caught in possession of an air rifle over 12 ftlbs it is illegal and there is no defence (it is an absolute offence). The holder is in big doo doo.
     
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  20. Stevie Darling

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    Good point Matty!

    if it went to court, surely the manufacturer is at fault as they set the power to be safely under 12!
     

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