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A Medical Complication

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by rosie 1, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. rosie 1

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    Hi Guys, in may of this year I put in a grant for a conterminous ticket ...during the same month I got admitted to hospital for a operation which turned out to be quite major (I had no idea this was going to happen) . On filling in the application for a firearm recently I notice that you have to notify the Police of any medical history which I have done regarding my recent operation..The Police (Lincolnshire) have now put a block on my application until I can produce a clearance note from my GP. regarding my fitness to own guns. I have already paid the Police£60.00 previous to this (just previous to my operation) which was duly submitted from my GP to say they had no concerns as to my fitness to own guns just before I had to go to hospital for my op. Now does this mean that I have to pay yet another £60.00 for another letter?????.I have been in touch with my FEO regarding the shotguns that I am in possession of and they tell me there is not a problem and everything is in order ..something here don't seem to make sense i.e I can own shotguns but cant apply for a firearm until I get a clearance note from my GP...any advice or comments please guys as I cant make any sense out of this. Has a similar problem happened to anyone else. Regards.
     
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    Sorry to hear about your operation, i would have thought your FEO should have all the answers.
     
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    I suspect this is part of the process for any new and renewal applications for an FAC:Durham Constabulary seek a medical certificate from a GP (at my expense) to show no reason why I should not possess firearms.
    Like you,I disclosed medical conditions and the only outcome was a visit from an FEO to check I was not really an arthritic old gadgie who was not physically fit enough to possess firearms.
    What they are looking for is mental illness or illnesses where prescribed medication can cause side effects leading to irrational and possibly dangerous behaviour.
    Anti depressants prescribed for pain relief might well be a trigger for an FEO to withold a grant.
    Hope the surgery has worked and you have a co operative,understanding GP.
    Best of luck to you.
     
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    rosie 1 Engaging Member

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    Yes that makes a lot of sense thankyou
     
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    Hope all goes well with your health
    Join BASC they will assist is any ticket complications
     
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    Its not up to your GP to give an opinion on whether you are fit to own guns (which is not a bad thing since there are quite a number of misguided Drs who do not believe anyone should own a gun)
    Your GPs job is simply to provide factual information on which the police may then base their decision.
     
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  7. Sarge

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    I guess it will depend on what the operation was for. Does the condition of the op. itself have any bearing on your suitability to own firearms?
    Your FLD will just be doing their due diligence. If you mention any condition, even if not a relevant one, they will look at it (well, you thought it was worth mentioning, the least they can do is take a look).

    Just follow the Department's lead, keep them informed and keep in contact with them. Hopefully they'll keep you updated and let you know what you need to do, if anything.
     
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  8. rosie 1

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    Hi yes the operation was for a aneurism that I didn't know I had ..a CT scan showed it up and it was very major op but getting over it now and it has not made me unstable in any way but still painfull the police insist on a further clearance note from me GP though before I can apply for my ticket for fac its all very frustrating when I have allready been honest and told them (police) about the op but on the same note they tell me there isn't a problem with the s.guns I already own.. It don't make a lot of sense when they tell me that there isn't a problem with the guns (shotguns) that im in posession of but then they tell me that I need clearance from my GP before I can put in for a conterminouse ticket???????
     
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    I hope all goes well with your health and your licence gets sorted soon Rosie.
     
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    yes thankyou
     
  11. Devonair

    Devonair Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit....

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    Shotguns are treated completely differently to FAC. I’ve had shotguns for over 30 years yet when I applied for an FAC last year I had an interview with the FEO who asked about the depression I had had 15 years ago (none since) and then asked for a letter from the doctors (started a huge miscommunication with GP in another county that delayed thing 5 months!).

    An FAC is far more serious as far as the law is concerned.
     
  12. Westphalian

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    cannot understand this, makes no sense unless they think you are on opiates or whatever for pain, or general infirmity in the recovery stage may make you temporarily unfit.
    i'm in durham, recently had two variations and disclosed recent depression, and had no problems. mind i did write a small novel in the "further information" giving as many details as possible.
    post op aneurism repair is of no relevance to folding an FAC in my professional opinion bar the above provisos. have you spoken to them over the phone?
     
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    I would think that if an applicant felt it was worth mentioning in answer to a question that asks about "Relevant medical conditions which must be disclosed" (Note 5 to Q4, Form 201), even if it is not one of the relevant ones listed then the police are duty bound to look at it. After all, the applicant took the effort to mention it, it would be rude not to look at it, perhaps an applicant didn't understand the question or worse still, failed to follow the instructions on the form and read notes 4-12 before filling it in.

    'Post op aneurism repair' isn't mentioned unless it is covered under "Any other mental or physical condition which might affect your safe possession of a firearm or shotgun", in which case it should be investigated as a matter of course.
     
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    I forgot to mention an o/d 15 years ago when i applied for my s/c 2 years ago ,, they picked up on it BIG TIME ..had a long visit from fao but it all turned out ok . the o/d by the way was the result of a wife 26 yrs younger than me " playing away " whilst I was out earning the pennies ,,,,moral of this tale folks " don't marry a dolly bird "
     

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