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A do it all grease.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Cymru-Dave, Jun 5, 2015.

  1. Cymru-Dave

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    Can someone point me in the direction of a good grease to cover the rebuild of a rifle for use on springs, piston etc etc, I currently have napier gun grease that came in a thimble sized container and cost a fortune which is running very low.

    Ta
     
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    Thanks for the reply, is this what most fettlers use?
     
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    The guy in Airgun World who measures everything airgun down to the Nth degree refers to the same grease as having been used by him for the last 30 years.....and that's the same tin!
    Dag
     
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    Perfect, No need to buy all these branded products.
     
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    You can buy them, but I don't think there's any advantage, I use the Abbey SM50 for piston seals because it's a liquid but to be honest I used 3 in 1 for years & it was OK too...
     
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    The halfords stuff is too thin. It will silence spring twang for about 50 shots and then it's boing!
     
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    To be honest, if you're putting grease on a spring to silence it you're missing the point somewhat.
     
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    Seems the stuff then, I'll use that
     
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    From what I have read recently the Halfords cv moly grease is about 3% moly, I have used it with no real problems but I've just bought some 60% moly paste off the bay for £12.99. I can't report yet if it's any better but it's a hell of a lot blacker.. Although it's only 100ml so probably just last my lifetime, I'll have to buy some more for the grandkids.
     
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    a little tip for moly grease ......

    buy double the amount you think you need , as half of it seems to go on the bits you want to lube and the other half goes ........everywhere else !!!!.....clothing , carpets , furniture, ......oh i've got one of the slippiest dogs in the world ...thanks to this stuff !
     
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    Do enlighten us oh great one.
     
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    ...I managed to drop the barrel of the air rifle id removed and was working on head first into the pot! Took ages to removed the 2" of grease that shot up there!
     
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    A couple of pellets would have worked wonders!;)
    Dag
     
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    You just need a thin coating for lubrication, very thin. If you have a twang problem you need a piston sleeve, & maybe a different top hat/spring guide set - like the ones Tinbum does which almost touch when the gun is cocked.
    Also I've read an article over on the American forums where a bloke found grease was sapping the power of his spring when he really laid it on, with the kind of power they have to play with in America I'd guess the effect at sub 12ftlb's would be significant.
    I used to do it myself but it didn't work particularly well, the twang became a twung maybe, but that was about it. I use sleeves & guide nowadays which are much better.
     
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    Tried all that mate in the end I got spring tar imported from the states. I must say the halfords stuff is capable of metal to metal lubrication.

    I found the piston sleeves I made were no good after a good few shots but that's down to me I suppose.
     
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    Hi oliver13

    So you don't need to buy gun special gun oil, you can use 3 in 1 oil dose this go for all the moving parts that need oiling.

    oedbachgen
     
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    When I was a kid 3in1 oil included firearms in the list of suitable applications on the can, it doesn't nowadays but it's still the same oil.
    It doesn't hurt to get a can of oil with 'Gun' in the name, it's only a few quid more expensive, but for what it's worth a brand new BSA or Webley air rifle back in the '70s would reek of 3in1 when the box was opened.

    I use Moly Grease just about everywhere, a drop of SM50 behind the piston seal & then maintain it with 3in1, bearing in mind I'm putting it places that's already had Moly grease on it.
    The only specialist lube I regularly use really, I've got some silicone grease for O rings, it's not branded but it's probably Molycote 111, I get small pots from a dive shop, divers need a lot of lubrication - all those zips & rubber...

    The object of the excercise is to keep things as simple as possible, lifes just too short to be putting PTFE dust on that & Sure Slip Rocket Oil on the other, I did all that sort of thing years back & it just wasn't justified by Chrono results, in fact there wasn't any difference I could see, once the Dieselling had died down...
     
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    there are several moly greases out there, what's a good moly content percentage in a moly grease for reassembling an air rifle? I see 3%, is the higher the better?
     
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    I can't deny having 60% Moly in the grease, as opposed to 3% would be reassuring, but when you look at how Moly works, it coats the steel in a thin low friction layer so in reality it probably only actually needs a few milligrams, the remainder will just be left floating around in the grease.
    At the end of the day it's what the Chrono says & how it feels when you cock it, but I reckon that stripping & lubing up airguns isn't a bad way to pass the time, & when you have to do something like replace a piston seal all that practise is very useful to have - you've just got to tinker, it's some kind of natural law....
     

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