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"A costly and bureaucratic mistake": BASC response to Scottish airgun licensing bill.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Simon Clarke, May 15, 2014.

  1. Simon Clarke

    Simon Clarke Newbie

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    Airgun licensing in Scotland a costly and bureaucratic mistake

    To see this press release on the BASC website, please click here.

    A system to license the estimated half-a-million airguns in Scotland will be a costly and bureaucratic mistake, brought in as airgun crime has fallen by 75%, according to Scotland’s largest shooting organisation, BASC Scotland.

    BASC Scotland says airgun licensing is unnecessary, costly and impractical, despite the Scottish Government’s publication of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Bill. It flies in the face of evidence, the results of the public consultation and fails on every principle of good regulation.

    BASC says a licensing system will place unnecessary burdens on police time and budgets, will only be taken up by already law-abiding airgun users, and will have little effect on criminal misuse.

    Dr Colin Shedden, director of BASC Scotland, said: “Offences involving air weapons in Scotland have fallen by 75% in recent years. In 2006-07 there was a ten-year-peak of 683 air weapon offences. In 2012-13, after six years of steady decline, there were 171 offences. In addition, all firearms offences are now at the lowest level since records began. Airguns are already extensively regulated by law, with more than thirty offences on the statute books. Bringing in this legislation will not deter those who are already determined to break the law.”

    “The drop in crimes has been achieved by the Scottish Government, Police Scotland and shooting organisations such as BASC working together to improve education and enforcement of existing legislation. Further work in this direction would reap greater benefits than a disproportionate, expensive and bureaucratic licensing system that would have to accommodate the estimated 500,000 air weapons in Scotland. Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill recently announced that this “education and enforcement” approach has also proved successful in reducing knife crime in the west of Scotland. If this is good enough for knife crime why would anyone think that licensing of all air weapons in Scotland, and all those brought in by visitors, is proportional, practical or affordable?”

    “Currently, 60,000 people in Scotland already hold firearms licences. Increasing the licensing requirement to cover hundreds of thousands of people in Scotland plus visitors will place existing Police Scotland licensing staff under a massive administrative burden when offences have fallen significantly and the police are subject to pressure on both budgets and staffing.”

    ENDS
     
  2. Egg

    Egg Major Poster

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    Independence & air gun licensing - you gotta love the SNP :rolleyes:
     
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    The title also sums up the SNP indepeandance plans!
     
  4. Egg

    Egg Major Poster

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    One way or another they're history after the 18th September: we vote yes, their job's done and they no longer have a valid reason to exist; we vote no and the nation will have spoken and they'll no longer have a reason to exist because there won't be another referendum in our generation.

    I loathe the SNP.
     
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    I've writtenseveral letters to the SNP, my MP, MSP and MEP asking why they are targetinglaw abiding and compliant shooters when there are far more public safety risksin Scotland not being directly actioned. There is far more violence, crime andinjury caused by both sectarian attitudes and resulting violence as well asBuckfast drinking abuse. The two often these go hand in hand. There seems to beno direct action taken to counter this very real and damaging problems in Scotland.

    I got reply’s from all but none stating why the disproportionate approach andeffort in tackling a problem which doesn't exist. It was more, “we tow party linesand agree with what we’re told to.”

    Its all about headline grabbing tactics by the SNP government and easy hits.These MSP's should have stayed as the jumped up councilors they were/are.

     
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  6. Elk hunter

    Elk hunter Keyboard Hero

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    If they get in with the Yes vote and push for a general license on air rifles giving only one good out come....it won't cost Britain a penny. The scotish tax payer will foot the bill.

    Andrew
     
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    The problem Ihave with it is, those who want to keep their air rifles will go through the processto gain a license and will use them lawfully. The type of person who shoots atwo year old from a block flats in Glasgow and kills them, isn't lily to be deterredor put off from having an air rifle without a license. Again its the lawabiding that will get punished. The scally with a stolen air rifle in hiswardrobe or under his bed is hardly likely to apply for a license after legislation.It was illegal to do what he did to that poor child before licensing, it wouldn’thave saved the kid.
     
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    Trampilot Keyboard Hero

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    The BRITISH Association for Shooting & Conservation.... vote yes and you'll need the SASC!
     
  9. Egg

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    Jeez, that'll be a disaster.

    I think there's a bit more to the independence question than changing the name of the shooting body I'm a member of.

    @ Elk Hunter - whether it's yes or no they have the power to make the change mate, it just has to be ratified by Holyrood :(
     
  10. allrightscud

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    Indeed, I'malready a member of the Scottish Association of Country Sports (SACS) anyway. Foranyone in Scotland, they have good membership deals especially the syndicatemembership and insurance.

    http://www.sacs.org.uk/
     
  11. scoop

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    Its going to happen in the rest of the uk unfortunetly , as was said above its a headline grabber and its easier punishing law abiding shooters than chasing criminals
    Its a sad day for all airgunners
     
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    Many many years back, I spent a number of hours inside the lobby hall at Westminster waiting for a Journalist's report on the budget, to be taken immediately to some newspaper. I spent my time observing the comings and goings of the various MPs, civil servants etc.......... I suddenly got it! An epiphany if you like? It all became clear........

    The majority of politicians, are more interested in themselves than you! It was clear as a bell being rung an inch from my ear!

    That's not to say the minority weren't decent, caring, and really wanted to make life better for the population...... but they were definitely in the minority!

    I lost a lot of faith in our political system that day.

    The best bet maybe to try and make sure that this licensing falls flat by tripping itself up over it's own ignorance and mistakes? That seems to be what BASC is doing, and is probably the best thing to be doing right now?
     
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    This is the main reasoning behind the bill - Kenny "I want my name in the history books" MacAskill's ambition.
     
  14. Ichabod Armacost

    Ichabod Armacost Donator

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    Well taking Scotland's colourful history into account, I am quite sure that a few large and angry highlanders could find a way to oblige the gentleman?:D
     
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    Teuchters? They're all blow-in's from the south east :lol:
     
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    Please pardon my English iggorance, but WTF is a Teuchter????:confused: Ah, never mind, Wiki is my friend!:D

    [h=1]Teuchter[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Teuchter (/ˈtjxtər/[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] or /ˈxtər/[SUP][2][/SUP]) is a Lowland Scots word originally used to describe a Scottish Highlander, in particular a Gaelic-speaking Highlander.[SUP][3][/SUP] Like most such cultural epithets, it can be seen as offensive, but is often seen as amusing by the speaker. The term is contemptuous, essentially describing someone seen to be uncouth and rural.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP]
     
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    Or just teuchter :D

    Anyway, back on target so to speak - this bill's been brewing for ages and they're shoe-horning it in under the smokescreen created by the indy vote. Slimy, snidey, underhand - that's the SNP.
     
  18. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    Nice avatar egg!

    perfect description:)
     
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    any news on the air gun license bill

    Hey folks any news on the air gun license bill that got put forward to parliment today?
     
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