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690 Vs 692, What's The Difference?

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by rich79, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. rich79

    rich79 No deep or funny comment here

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    I've been doing a bit of overtime recently and have decided that maybe a new or decent secondhand Beretta around the £2k mark might be obtainable, so I've been watched various YT clips & trawled t'interweb but there's nothing really conclusive about the differences between the two guns!
    Or in fact the difference between the whole 690/1/2/3/4/5 series!
     
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    The 692 is the b*****d child. It was supposed to be their entry level competition gun but it suffered a few design issues.

    I've heard something about the action to stock joint being week as it's a single pinned tang.

    The main functional difference is the ejectors on the 692 have a mechanism to disable them (who knows why) and this is prone to failure..it's not a super expensive repair from what I understand but it will be a pain and likely go down at the worst time.

    Not sure if barrel internals are the same across the range but don't get caught worrying about forcing cones etc to much as I doubt many are truly good enough to see the difference.

    Generally speaking the 692 has a bad rep from the people I've spoken to at various clay grounds. I wouldn't touch one but if you do decide on it then go for the black edition.

    The 694 was brought out to address the faults of the 692 and is a much much better gun and shoulders so much better IMO where they have made tweeks to dimensions. Even second hand you'll be around £3000 for a 694 so maybe a bit out of reach unless you wait or hit up the credit card.

    The 690 black edition is what I started with and it's a great gun for the money. The orange / red highlights are a bit marmite but I liked it. Shot well for about a year with no issues at all. Only upgrade as I wanted something sexier but ultimately also found my new Blaser fits me off the shelf way way better.

    Have a look at the Cesar Guerini Summit black - around £2400 new if you can stretch otherwise a very attainable second hand buy if you can find one local.

    The Blaser F-16 is worth a look and should be in budget with Grade 4 wood. Has been talk of ejector issues but I've spoken to several very happy F16 shooters.
     
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    The 690 Black is one of the front runners for me, I just wondered what the difference was as they're similarly priced.
    I don't see many 691's about and the 694 would be too pricey for me.
    I heard about the ejectors on a 692 TGS review on YT, it didnt actually say if you leave them on whether they risk breaking or if it's just constant fiddling causes it?
     
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    On a lot of the clay forums the 692 comes in for a lot of bashing, honestly I'd stay clear as re-sale will be poor to.

    The 691 is field only I think and is only different decoration compared to the 690 I think.

    Where abouts are you based?
     
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    rich79 No deep or funny comment here

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    I'm in South East London, just doing a bit of research while I'm applying for my sec2, if something good turns up at a local rfd I can always put it on my old man's licence until mine turns up.
    Its confusing because AFAIK there's 6 models in the 69* range & it's not always clear what they are & what the differences are.
     
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    Field Guns - 691 and 693

    Clay guns - 690 black, 692 standard and black, 694 and lastly 695 which is the pretty sporting action.

    If it's a clay gun you want I'd suggest the 690 unless you can stretch to a 694 or you want to look at other makes
     
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    I do like the look of the 690 black, I see secondhand ones for between £1700-£1900 described as mint & still tight but they've apparently got a self adjusting tensioner in the forend that keeps them tight, so that's not really a measure of how many rounds it may have done, a new o E is about £2200 so might go that way.
     
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    1900 would get you a minter I suspect and it's Beretta so I reality number if rounds is less important - I've a 1986 s687 as a field gun and . knows how many that's had trough it and it's still perfectly good.

    But yea for the cost get a new one if you're looking to keep it long term
     
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    I've put over 10000 shots through my 692 and it's been flawless. One of the pro's at my local clay ground has put well over 100000 through his competition gun, also had no problems. I wouldn't change mine for any other gun, well maybe a DT
     
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    I wouldn't buy a 690 or 692, I'd save a bit more and buy a good used DT10. Much better gun, very well built and was Beretta's too competition gun.
    If I wasn't looking to buy the DT10 I would be looking at the 682 series guns.
    Most clay shooters will put 10k through they're guns each year if they shoot comps.
    Mates of mine often shoot 500 carts a week during the summer.
    Older Beretta's like the 686 & 687 will shoot 250.000 carts before being scrapped, some will do lots more depending on how they're maintained.
    If you want a gun to shoot massive amounts look at the Ceasar Guerini Invictus, designed to shoot 1 million carts.
     
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    Problem with DT10s is mark is a lot of them are shot out so you need to be around £3500 for a real good one. I was considering them and discussed with my coach and he said you need to be careful with them as a lot have been hammered.

    I don't subscribe to all old berettas are better, mechanically there is little in it between my old S687 and the missus modern sp1 but my old beretta just has nicer quality engraving and better wood.

    Not sure a gun that can shoot billions of rounds is what the OP is worried about although I agree the Invictus is a nice gun but over budget for the OP.
     
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    When your coach says shot out, the hinge trunion pins can be changed same with the top bolt. They were made to shoot a huge amount of shots. Prices dipped then came back up on the DT10 but not to where they were. I've seen a few good DT10L for under 3k no fancy engraving but still good wood on them.

    Each to their own but I much prefer older Beretta's. Unless looking at S0 guns.
     
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    My dad has two 686e's in 12 & 20b, they are nice guns & I guess they're good quality & last forever but they're just not my cup of tea for some reason, neither is his old 687sp, he's just bought a 28" sp1 minter in 20b for his walked up shooting as its lighter than the 20b 686 with 30" barrels.
    So I've used his guns & busted plenty of clays but there's just something about the 686/7 that I don't want to own, maybe its the fact there's a 69* series I prefer.

    The 690 black is nice, the cheapest of the bunch & plenty about but..... It is the lower one of the lot & will I wish I'd bought a 692 or higher?

    692, me likey very much, but is it that much better than a 690? Will the ejectors be a worry considering I won't be turning them on/off as is its selling point?

    694, I can only dream, or save up some more while the work overtime is good, do I need a 694? Is it just an expensive extravagance that I won't feel the benefits from over the cheaper two?
    It's like the car analogy, a 7-series would get me to work just as well as a 3-series, but do 3-series drivers wish they'd bought a 7 after 6mths?
     
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    One thing I've learned, when you covet a certain gun, don't waste money on anything else, it just won't measure up your mind.
    Personally I'd never buy a 69 series gun I don't like them.
    Save your pennies up until you can buy the gun you really want and then enjoy it.
    I've been shooting many years and know what I like in a gun and don't like.
    I think a blaser f3pro when it fits you takes some beating for the money.
     
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    I agree with @Figgy, don't buy the compromise gun just because it's what you can afford now because you'll always regret it.

    As said I liked my 690 black, it was my first shotgun and buying it new felt nice even if it meant I lost a few quid when selling it. It wasn't special though and after trying other guns I realised I preferred other things.

    Just don't bother with the 692, they are universally unloved and even second hand are unlikely to hold value I suspect.

    The 694 is worth the extra, the action is the same as the 690 internally but it's better balanced, nicer fore end in the hand and stock is noticeably better to shoulder than the 690 black for me and it just looks nicer I think.

    All that said I didn't buy one, saved up the extra and splurged on a shinny new Blaser F3 professional and I do t see me changing it unless I suddenly have money for a custom fitted Perazzi Hi Tech in grade 5.
     
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    Don't buy a custom fitted P gun.
     
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    It’s all psychological.
    If you really like a gun and your heart is set on that gun and truly believe that forcing cone, back bore or whatever is what you need to make you shoot well.

    You won’t shoot well until you shoot that gun not because it’s any better but because you will shoot with confidence and belief in the gun.
    If you see yourself hitting the target before you fire you will do so.

    Go for what you feel is right and what you want not a sensible compromise. You will hopefully be shooting it many years.
     
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    I have a 690 III Sport that is still like new, rarely use it but it has been fine for the 2-300 cartridges i have pit through it, shoots well too, was thinking of putting it on here for sale.
     
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    Mr R10 Talks a lot of sense!
    My son turned up at the clay ground with a ten year old but new to him gun. It was mint. Of course I had to have a go. I wont say I couldn't miss but I shot it so well I begged it off him and still have it. I did not actually discover what the gun was till later. Tizz a Browning 525 with all the bells and whistles. Fat bores and long cones, also only 26 inch barrels. A very light gun.
    Moral I think. Doesn't really matter what it is if it fits and you have confidence in it then that's the gun for you.
     
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    Old Gunfit and balance will outshoot a gun you like but doesn't fit everytime.
    You can have any gun fitted by a good gunfitting coach. So if you do a like a gun it it's not quit right, get it fitted.
     

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