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5p Groupings

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Thewelshwonder, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. Thewelshwonder

    Thewelshwonder Engaging Member

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    Just a quick question? Why do people say that if your PCP rifle can’t put a 10 shot group under a 5p piece your rifle isn’t accurate? Most of the rifles FT excluded are bought for hunting and the kill zone is a lot bigger than a 5p, my R10 will group a 5p size group but was just sat here wondering surely a 10p size group would be classed accurate enough for hunting.
     
  2. monsta41

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    think about the size of the brain in your quarry, a rabbits is around 5cm long and around 2 cm high
     
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    I hunt and personally I'd demand a one hole ragged group at 35 yards (from a bench) from a PCP I'd use to hunt with.

    A 10p or even 5p sized group from a bench could easily translate to wounded quarry if shot from standing.
     
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    I don’t hunt but was just asking the question, I’ve watched loads of videos and the 5p seems to be the holy grail
     
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    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    mikeyhall1 Pepe Le Pew

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    All covered above really.

    Once you find the guns best pellet I’d expect a good PCP to shoot one ragged hole at 35y and a good and well shot springer not far behind.
     
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    Issac Posting Addict

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    I can understand that getting a tight group is important in the search for the right pellet for your rifle, but beyond this, I hate shooting groups.

    I'm more interested in hitting what I aim at time after time, and that's not the same hole as last time, so before I hunt, I set up a spinner (25mm). I have to hit it at 25 yrds, 30 yrds, 35 yrds, 40 yrds, and 45 yrds.

    Then I'm happy and go out on my hunt.
     
  9. jesim1

    jesim1 Big Poster

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    A 5p is just an easy reference point which should be attainable from all modern PCPs around the 30/40m mark, which can be done indoors/outdoors and covers the majority of air gun hunting ranges. The further hunting ranges out to say 50m will still be around a 1p size at that range using this example, but if you got a 20p group at 30m, then it would be more like a 50p by 50m, which is getting big for a bench rested PCP gun in perfect conditions.

    Hope this makes sense, it's easier to compare apples to apples than 5mm CTC group at 30m and a 1/2 inch one at 35 yards!

    James
     
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  10. Mr wolf

    Mr wolf Sad times

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    I’m pretty sure when dealing with live quarry,accuracy is key to a clean kill.Almost
    Pellet on pellet is what I personally require from my own rifle, I have confidence in my rifle and the rest is up to me
     
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    mikeyhall1 Pepe Le Pew

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    Exactly!

    Knowing I can put a pellet on top of another in a target means I’m confident of my shot placement should I turn my rifle at quarry.

    Also periodically shooting groups is not only a sign of initial accuracy and finding the best pellet, it also shows issues as they arise - crap group = time to clean the barrel for example.
     
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    MrOvershoot Now just slightly tired

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    Just as well we're not using the BBC unit of measurement "The Size of Wales or a "London Double Decker" :laff:
     
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    If you can only get 10 shots to hide under a 5p at 30 yards don’t even try and shoot live quarry. If you are getting bigger than one ragged hole at this range, from a bench please only shoot spinners.
    Note to you woodbe pest controllers, there are no benches out in the wood or field. You have to take responsibility for you actions and if you can not guarantee your placement don’t even aim the gun.
    Practice, practice, practice, lean against trees, rest on your knee find a fence which is a little low and see how you get on. It’s not the same as shooting off an bench
     
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    I would say 10 shots under a 5p is fine for hunting.

    In a hunting situation.
     
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    I'm a bit miffed at that, is that a typo?
     
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    I'm a bit miffed at that, is that a typo?[/QUOTE]
    Indeed. “If you cantsorry.
    All I’m saying is if you groups are over a 5p, from a bench, that does not equate to a clean kill when in the field.
     
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    From bench to field is a different kettle of fish anyway. If you're stalking you should be practicing regular in the standing, kneeling and prone positions with good results on a regular basis. If you fail your own tests then you have to go back to more practice otherwise you're just wasting your own time and the risk element goes up. If you prefer ambush then it's the same set of guidelines.
     
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    When I started hunting back in the 80's it used to be said that you had the marksmanship if you could consistently get 5 shots under a 2p. Which is an 1". or 25mm if you prefer.
    Perhaps our quarries brains have shrunk in the intervening years... or our ethics have improved.
    Either way a 5p (18mm) group at the maximum range you limit yourself from a hunting stance ie prone, kneeling, standing etc not rested, I personally think is competent with a Springer or a PCP. Others will dissagrd I'm sure.
     
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    I understand what you mean, but in real life I think your level of expectation for every shot from every gun, from every shooter is unrealistic - your telling me you have NEVER missed/had a flier and are a perfect marksman? Good on you :rolleyes:

    James
     
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    That's not good enough for Woody heads, you'll be taking beaks off.
     
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