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5.6mm pellet test all dressed up and ready to go.

Discussion in 'Vintage collectable airguns' started by Meteor62, Apr 26, 2014.

  1. Meteor62

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    Recently I have been doing some pellet testing of 5.6mm pellets that are designed for older British barrels such as the BSA's and Webleys prior to I think 1996 which is when I believed they followed suit and went to metric 5.5mm with the rest of the world.

    Initial tests were done with some 5.6mm pellets in my meteor with less than convincing results that the older barrels really do prefer the 5.6mm pellet and I was prepared to leave it at that.

    However, Jackroadkill recently gifted me with my all time favourite Eley wasp pellets that have not been in production now for a number of years. For me these pellets were all I ever used they were perfect as I remember in my old Webleys and later on I even won a ft competition with them in .22 with a hw77!

    Now I have some more wasps I intend on doing a comparison with them against modern 5.6 mm pellets such as Marksman 5.6 and Defiant vintage 5.6mm to see which are the best. The winning pellet will then be pitted against the RWS Super dome.

    Couple of reasons for this, one the super dome has always shared the same reputation of the wasp as a good all round pellet and to see if 5.6mm is what is really required in these barrels. Also I have found the super dome to be an accurate pellet in the BSA,s I intend to use a couple of older British rifles, one being my mk 1 meteor. To do the pellets some justice I have now purchased 15mm scope mounts and fitted a 4x32 scope. Just waiting for a nice day and some peace and quiet to do the test. So here's the mk1 all dressed up and ready to go. Doesn't she look nice?
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    Looks like a nice bit of kit that!!!:)
     
  3. Jackroadkill

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    There's a joy to shooting a springer - have fun with the test. I'll watch carefully for the results.
     
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    Back in the 70's I found that RWS Diablos( green coloured lid with squirrel on it) performed quite well in my BSA Mecury
     
  5. Meteor62

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    I am intending on starting this test today at some point. Having scoped up the little mk1 meteor it has transformed the gun not only cosmetically but the accuracy is stunning for a 54 year old gun. This was my first group at 22 yards yesterday, there's one flyer to the right but I can honestly say this was because I didn't compensate on this shot for the scope which at the time was canted. 5 shot group with 4 shots through same hole with marksman 5.6mm in fact the paper rip is much bigger than the actual group which was literally pellet on pellet.
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  6. Patrick

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    Yes, and that's with the crappy barrel lock-up that they keep on about,very good for a gun that is considered rubbish by some of them.As I've said before I've owned Mecury's in the past and I've got a SuperSport now and I've never had trouble with the barrel lock-up but perhaps I've just been lucky.
     
  7. Meteor62

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    So on with the test and first is the marksman 5.6mm made especially to john knibbs specs for older British barrels weighing in at 15 grain average
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    And a head size of [​IMG] 5.7 mm[​IMG]
    And a skirt of 5.6mm
    As can be seen here the head is a very tight fit in the meteors barrel
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    5 shots over the chrono gave me the following
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    Now I am aware from previous tests against other 5.5mm pellets the tight fit is robbing the best part of a ft lb of energy. It will be interesting to see if the eleys do the same.


    On with the accuracy test at 22 yards which is the length of my front door to the rear of the garage in my garden.
    Now I'm no mean shot with a spring gun but this 5 shot group was very good indeed for me. Sorry about the image upside down.
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    Easily covered by a pound coin.
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    The marksman are a very tight fit indeed to the point where your thumb starts to hurt after inserting a few into the barrel. Also if you don't insert them far enough the skirts will get clipped as can be seen here.
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    Marksman pellets have always taken a bit of dissing on the forums as being poor quality but to be honest the last tin I had in 5.5mm guise didn't look too bad at all and these 5.6mm variants have all been well made with no more damage to the skirts than any other brand of pellet. I'm wondering if people just assume they are rubbish because they have always been the most readily available pellet. I know when I was a kid the most common pellet we used due to its availability and low cost was the marksman. These 5.6mm jobs although extremely tight in the barrel and being a very dull lack lustre colour (just like their 5.5mm brothers) compared to other pellets, you can't argue with the accuracy. I am a pcp shooter mainly so switching to a spring gun and expecting decent accuracy from me is a big ask but these pellets have achieved good results in the accuracy stakes and have set the benchmark and a very tough act for the other pellets to be trialled to follow.
     
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    You might find that the 5.5mm Marksman perform better seeing that they weren't made to the same exacting tolerences as the better quality pellets e.g Wasps(original) H&N RWS
     
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    Next into the ring are my old favourites the eley wasp. These pellets were the general all round pellet that suited most shooters over the years and came in various guises, one being the old BSA pylarm pellet.

    I used these pellets exclusively in my 5.5mm barrel HW 77 back in the early 80's and the combination accounted for many a rabbit and other airgun quarry, so much so I could not see a reason to try anything else.

    These pellets are a traditional dome head with a squat sort of stocky stature with a raised dimple. The pellets I always remember had a distinct aroma of swarfs about them on opening the tin.

    These were considered one of the best all round pellets of their day.

    So onto the test. Unfortunately at this time chrono testing is a big no as it's hammering down with rain so I decided to go straight into the accuracy test. Again at 22 yards. But before I did this I threw a baked bean can into the garden for a bit of a plink to lead the pellets into the barrel. These are my results and rather surprising.
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    This I have to say is disappointing, maybe I need to lead the barrel a bit more and redo the test. I owe it to the pellets really. I will do some chrono testing when the weather brightens up which will also go towards leading the pellets in. To be continued...
     
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  10. valboskie

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    Great read mate and very interesting .
    I am looking forward to more of your testing.
    Atb
    David
     
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    a good read i've got a mk1 meteor i use for back garden plinking as well and have only used superdomes in it , i get more enjoyment out of shooting the meteor than i do out my r10
     
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    So with the weather picking up today I decided to do some chrono testing.

    I measured 4 wasp pellets two weighed in at 14.2 grain and two at 14.6 grains
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    And head measurement of 5.8mm
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    And skirt of 5.5 mm
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    This was strange as the marksman heads were smaller but were much much tighter in the barrel. The wasps in contrast are a very nice snug fit, requiring a little push into the breech for correct seating and no sore thumbs or clipped skirts here.

    The skirt measuring 5.5? Mmmmm thought it should be 5.6??
    Anyway on with the chrono test and again they are beaten by the marksmans in both consistency and energy with the wasps just making 7.5 fpe.
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    Again my big wasp bubble has been burst.

    I will do some more accuracy testing with the wasps before I move on to the next pellet just to make sure the wasps maybe needed leading in a bit more.
     
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    After firing quite a few shots off with the wasps I tried target shooting again and indeed the barrel obviously needed leading up a bit more, I fired off 4 groups of 5 shots and this was the results
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    This was much better and some potentially tight (for me) groups were spoilt by the odd flyer which was down I know to the strict hold sensitivity of a spring gun so can honestly say it was me at fault. After this I fired another 5 shot group again I had one flyer but look at how tight this group of 4 is with the flyer at 12 o clock.
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    With it being a sunny day and with the low recoil of the meteor I could watch some of the pellets fly straight into the group through the scope. I shoot with both eyes open and would have thought this would make watching a pellet fly harder but doesn't seem to be the case.
     
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    Next up is the superdome pellet from rws. Been around for years and a well respected all rounder that needs little introduction.

    This pellet is considered one of the best for spring guns, for plinking right up to serious pest control.

    Very shiny pellet with a ribbed body.

    Climbing into the ring weighing 14.5 grains
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    And over the chrono
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    That's a full ft lb energy gained over the 5.6mm jobs. And dispels any myths of air escaping down the barrel due to the smaller diameter. To be continued ...
     
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    Put the superdomes through an accuracy test today but unfortunately they could not achieve decent accuracy when compared to their 5.6mm challengers . This was a bit of a shame for me as I was hoping with the energy testing to have found the perfect pellet for the old meteor. I didn't bother photographing the groups but lets just say they were nothing to write home about.

    Thinking it was me having a bad day I whacked a few 5.6 marksmans through, no leading up of the barrel just straight to it and was met with 10p size groups.

    I have a cunning plan, if the meteor likes marksman pellets I wonder how it will get on with 5.5mm ones, will I get the extra power like I did with the super domes but with the accuracy of their bigger brother? Stay tuned folks!
     
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    Pellet testing can be both interesting and surprising. My .22 Mercury ended up loving Milbro Caledonians. Superdomes were the next best, but at 20 yards the Cals made a single hole group. Marksman were average at best. Keep up the good work, plenty of interested people will follow this thread I'm sure.
     
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    Loving this!
     
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    Interesting test , shows how pellet sensitive any rifle can be .
     
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    Quote: "The marksman are a very tight fit indeed to the point where your thumb starts to hurt after inserting a few into the barrel."

    Inspired by Tinbum's enterprise I'm thinking of marketing these patented (not!) pellet insertion tools
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    View attachment 95719

    A few oncers and one can be yours too, p&p inc.;)
    I had the same problem with some Hobbys recently on my HW45. The golf tees worked wonders for my sore finger
    atb
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    Good interesting post, I used Eley wasp pellets through the sixties in my meteors and bsa cadet major. great pellet then, everyone seemed to use them! atb Paul
     

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