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243 clean

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by jonesy185, Mar 3, 2014.

  1. jonesy185

    jonesy185 Busy Member

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    Hi guys , been told so many ways for cleaning 243 , I only use it to shoot foxes , so don't really get rounds put through it . I find it pointless cleaning rifle every time after use with having to rezero all time . I useally only deep cleanse if any moisture or water has entered barrel , or if I've put a lot of rounds through which I don't any more as it's my primary foxing tool .

    Cheers guys
    Jonesy
     
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    Always clean my rifle after every shoot! Do not let fouling ruin your barrel!
     
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    Yea but don't you think it's a waste of ammo having to rezero
     
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    No need to clean it every time on the inside just the outside.
    If one or two round have been shot it not nessesery to clean the barrel, it won't do it any harm. Plus I know many rifle shooters who never clean a barrel till 15/20 rounds have gone down.

    Andrew
     
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    That's the answer I was looking for i have never really cleaned inside the barrel intill it's had a good few anyway , just people allways recommend to clean after each use due to fouling , people have mentioned they shoot on clean barrel all time but surely they will loose zero after a few shots . I'm very on edge with my rifles with the barrel situation . Just want to know what's best . Cheers Andrew
     
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    You should not really notice any difference in zero whether the gun has fired one shot or 50 shots.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    [ QUOTE=r10hunter;1049411]You should not really notice any difference in zero whether the gun has fired one shot or 50 shots.
    Cheers Andy[/QUOTE]
    On clean barrel you mean ?
     
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    Yes you should not see any difference in zero after cleaning.
    Or depending on the number of shots taken.
    After cleaning just take a shot or two at a target to check and to burn off any oil so you are not trying to watch a fox drop through a cloud of smoke. Zero should be the same as before cleaning.

    One thing to watch with some guns is that you always zero to a cold barrel. When zeroing allow the barrel to cool between shots ( bolt open no round in chamber)
    Test your zero with a stone cold barrel, it will be when you shoot a fox.
    I have known people think the gun was shifting zero because of fowling but they were not testing zero on a stone cold barrel. Some guns shift zero a little as the barrel heats up.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    I've done this before , cleaned the barrel then Fired a couple shot , the zero hadn't retained . Plus I left the barrel to complete cold .
     
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    I just honestly think that cleaning and rezeroing is madness after every outing as a lot of people suggests to me that I do . Don't you think it's best to give the barrel a clean once you notice you're accuarcy/grouping starts to be out . Waste really and pain in the arse to clean rezero , clean and rezero . Expensive and also waiting ammunition . Few professional marks men have suggested to me that cleaning a barrel too much is not healthy for bore , and only really clean when accuracy a grouping is effected. Obviously people have their own tips and ways of cleaning ...
     
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    *waisting"
     
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    That's strange, you are talking about total loss of zero not just being half an inch out or something.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    I no longer shoot centre fire rifles but I have, in the past, shot tens of thousands of rounds through maybe as many as a hundred different rifles. I never put one away without cleaning the barrel properly even if I had only fired a couple of rounds. Before shooting I would always run dry patches through the barrel to make sure that no oil remained. I never had a problem with changing zero let alone losing it completely. Some of the ammunition I used was ex military and may well have had corrosive primers so cleaning was essential. Although the more modern primers are supposed to be non-corrosive there is a lot of very high temperature material going down the bore and removing all this plus fouling from the copper jackets helps to maintain bore quality and accuracy.
    I understand that some bench rest shooters clean the bore after every shot in order to wring the last bit of accuracy out of the rifles, that seems a bit excessive but I believe it's best to clean and oil all of the rifle before putting it away, you then know that it just needs a wipe down to be ready for the next outing.
     
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    Yea it has been off a few inches which then means I have to get my poi back which is a pain in the arse!
     
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    Strange I have never known that happen. I cant see how it can be the cleaning in its self that causes a poi change, something on the gun must move. You have already checked all the normal things I take it, like scope, Barrel float etc.
    Maybe zero then bang things around in turn scope, then barrel etc, to see if you get a poi change, even clean the gun on your range and see what happens.
    let us know how you get on this is interesting.
    cheers Andy
     
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    Will do mate , so I should be zeroing on weekend from clean barrel then ill clean and see if it has changed .
     
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    What do you clean it with? Some barrels like a small amount of copper in them so maybe try a carbon clean only.
    I shoot bench rest and F T/R at 1000 yards. We clean our rifles, sometimes twice a day. I have never seen a Zero change because of cleaning. My barrel in cold weather does climb about 3/4MOA in four shots from cold though.
     
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    Forrest bore foam , napier rifle clean , legia, copper elite terminator Parker hale nitro , I mainly use Forrest and napier
     
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    Forrest bore foam does get rid of the copper so might be worth trying something like KG1 carbon remover.
     
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    I just use Tactical wipe out on a pull cord about once every few months. Doesn't effect the POI and the barrel is nice and clean and protected. Once a year I do a proper rod clean on the Remington 243.
     

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