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Question .22 or .177 for long range hunting?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by TrimB, Feb 20, 2014.

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  1. TrimB

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    hello all, im buying a rifle. now im sorry to fuel the age old argument of .22 vs .177 but i have to ask this. im planning to shoot rabbits at 50+ yards. for many years i have owned a .22 and have found that the range is very limited. what calibre would you recommend for long range hunting bearing in mind i mostly shoot rabbits. please someone just give me a straight forward answer :confused::up:
     
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    You've already answered your own question? .22 is limited. I would say .177 all day long for bunnies as accuracy is far superior than .22 but even in .177 I would say 50yrds max.
     
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    how much further can i shoot rabbits with a .177 than with a .22 or is it the other way around ?
     
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    I would say .177 better for about 10/15yrds .22 will also do this but easier to figure hold over for .177 as better trajectory.
     
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    It all depends how consistent & accurate you are as a shooter which will subsequently dictate your confidence at taking long range shots. There'll be guys that shoot .22 at distances some .177 shooters might consider being too long for them so TBH there's no definitive answer however hit the right spot on the rabbit (that small area behind the ear ideally) and it will drop but you have to be sure that it's going to be humane and that you're shooting within the gun's power capability as well as your own ability.

    .177's flatter trajectory does make hitting at range easier but you need to consider the lightness of a .177 pellet being affected by things like wind more than the heavier .22. So, .177's flatter trajectory/more affected by crosswinds v's .22's more curved ballistic path/less affected by crosswind.

    Or you could go .20 and get the best of both :D
     
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    If you are a decent shot 50 yards is no problem for .22 in sub 12ft/lb, i'm not going to start on about acceptable ranges in sub 12ft/lb power, as it will turn into a dick swinging contest. everybody will be saying how they shoot a rabbits whiskers off at 120 yards, doable yes, but not advised.

    If you are considering shooting live quarry regularly at over 50 yards, you should (IMO) look into FAC power

    Btw, a .177 is no more, or less accurate than .22, it has a straighter trajectory that's all ;)
     
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    .177 its is then. however i dont need to worry about pellets not entering the brain with a .177 do i? also would you guys rather the 15 extra yards you get with a .177 or the extra 10 shots you get with a pcp in 22
     
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    It's down to you - a .177 and a .22 will do the job providing the gun has sufficient power and providing you hit the spot you're aiming at. Just be sure that the shot is within your abilities so practice, practice, practice on non-live targets at varying ranges before you consider shooting in the field.
     
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    OH, most definitely you do. That is why I have used bold type. Using any 12ft-lb airgun at the range you are talking about, you need to be able to hit a target the size of a grape or you will get runners. You have to slot the pellet between the eye and the base of the ear, from any angle that shows the side of the head, or between the base of the ears if from behind, looking straight at you, at that range I wouldn't mind betting 50% of your shots will deflect off the skull if you hit high.

    I agree with the statement that at your stated range of 50 yards or more, you need more power than a standard airgun can give you - YES, it will have the power provided you can provide the pinpoint accuracy at that range, otherwise you are going to maim a lot of the rabbbits you shoot at. Even with 25ft-lbs you still need accurate shot placment, the extra power does not provide any more margin for error, it just makes hitting the spot a bit easier - forget the extra power, it isn't important, it is the HIGHER VELOCITY that is the benefit, th epower is a by-product of that higher velocity. I would also suggest you try .20 cal, it does provide better down range energy than the .177 and a flatter flight arc than .22. It also cheats the wind much better than either, it is just a quirk that nature and physics sometimes throws up. I have been using .20 since 1996 and prefer it over the others.
     
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    You've had some good advice above, in my opinion the only benefit of a 177 is the flatter trajectory. If you are spot on with your range estimation (use a rangefinder if not) then you will be able to hit the mark with any calibre. In most cases accuracy will fail before energy with an air rifle except in ideal shooting conditions and it is the responsibility of the shooter to ensure that he can hit the target zone and also to know that when he does hit it there is sufficient energy and penetration to give a clean kill.
    Shooting conditions will vary so much that it is not really sensible to quote maximum ranges, every shot should be considered before it is taken and practice should be restricted to paper targets.
     
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    oh thats a concern i really dont want pellets not entering the skull. what are your views on neck and lung shots. will that do the trick?
     
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    so if 5 ft lbs will kill a rabbit if it is hit in the head. do any of you know at what range the power of a .177 goes below 5 ft lbs ?
     
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    I wouldn't shoot a rabbit anywhere but the head with an air rifle - body shots are for shotguns and powder burners. Before anyone jumps in with their anecdotal "I take clean body shots all the time with a sub-12ft/lb air rifle!", I'm not saying it can't be done - I'm saying it shouldn't really be done with an air rifle, it's too hit or miss and may end up with a rabbit doing a runner to its burrow, wounded, and going through some suffering down there before it dies.

    Can I ask what your experience with live quarry is TrimB - have you shot rabbit and other air gun quarry before?
     
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    both .177 and .22 if shot at around 11 ft/lbs will pass clean through a rabbit's skull, brain and carry on out the other side at 50+ yards so no worries there.
    as above with the exception of very young kits heart/lung shots are powder burning teritory... just too much guess work and bone in the way for low power airguns. likewise for front on head shots... too much risk of the pellet sliding off target and wounding
     
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    can someone just tell me which one please.:) i think im going to cry
     
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    Which what? Which calibre? Pfffft...... mate, that's a decision you're going to have to make, nobody can make that decision for you. I reckon we've given you enough info to at least help you make an informed choice going forward.

    I'll ask again: what's your experience of shooting live quarry with an air rifle?
     
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    thank you very much everyone you have been awesome. these forums are GREAT. oh and by the way Egg i shoot rabbits alot with a .22 and i shoot them never below the front legs. do you reckon i can do the same with a .177
     
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    Only . knows the answer to that one and to the perennial question of what's better - .22 or .177 which is, in effect, what this thread is so with that in mind I'm closing this one because all we'll do is the following:

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    I'll guide you to the following post: http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums...-their-answers?p=827456&viewfull=1#post827456
     
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