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.17hmr, .22LR and FAC Air?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by mattgriff88, Jan 8, 2014.

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  1. mattgriff88

    mattgriff88 Busy Member

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    Im applying for a fac and im asking for .17HMR, .22LR and .22 FAC Air.

    Does anyone have these 3 and find they just never use the FAC air?

    Im applying for .17 hmr for the longer shots sometimes needed when the wind is suitable.

    .22LR just for the fact ammo is cheap, quiet with subsonic ammo for minimum disturbance and its still capable of 100 yard shots.

    The only situation I would use FAC air over .22LR is if im shooting pigeons or rats in a barn.
    I dont have a permission at the moment where this is required but I want to apply for it incase the opportunity arises, would this be a valid reason?

    The .22lr will have a night vision scope attached to it and will be used primarily for shooting on a local golf course.

    I do have another permission which is a few small fields and a fair bit of woodland but im only allowed to shoot here in the day, could I give the reason of applying for fac air is I would use this rifle in the day as I don't want to be taking the night vision scope off the .22lr and re zeroing everytime?
     
  2. Kyska

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    It's a can of worms, I personally don't 'get' fac air, others love them, I guess I just don't see the advantage.

    If I shoot in barns I'd use sub 12 air.

    In the field, I just can't see the advantage, but that's only applicable to my land.

    If you have a night vision, you can easily justify x2 lr's
     
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    I got two .22's granted because I use night vision so that's an option if you aren't sure on the FAC air,
    I have a space and I will get an FAC air because after 200 yards there's no energy left behind a pellet where as a .22 can go on for miles so for some situations I would prefer to use an FAC air (Not saying I won't still use backstops with an FAC air :p )
     
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    I have .17HMR. .22RF and .22 FAC AIR slots, I have had all three rifles and calibres, I only have one currently and its because it has ended up being my my most used and most usefull rifle............ Its my .22 FAC AIR Daystate Huntsman at 30ftlb.On renewal I am applying for all the above pluss an extra FAC AIR slot ! FAC AIR does seem to be a Marmite thing but me and one of shooting mates only shoot FAC AIR over our rimfires. When out with them we can pretty much take any legal quarry to 60/70yards apart from fox ! ATBMatt
     
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    Yup, have all three and use all three. My FAC air rifle is mainly used for roost / brancher shooting.
     
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    from what I have seen the 3 I have listed seems to be the first choice of many applying for fac for the first time.

    salopsniper, whats the reason you use fac air over rimfire rifles?
    is it the safety factor?

    I have a daystate air ranger under 12ftlb at the moment but if I did go for fac air the huntsman classic is one of my favourites and would probably end up buying one over having my air ranger uprated.
    Don't like the look of the new regal, the classic is a much better looking rifle.
     
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    Me too I have all those and more,but the F.A.C Air gets used plenty especially when shooting into trees,but still got to keep the back stop rule no 1.
    H.T.H
     
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    I have .22 fac air. and .17 hmr. The permission that I visited today is a prime example as to why I want both. The .17 is ideal for situations where you might have long open shots assuming a good backdrop for protection. I hope to be taking Rabbits out to around 110 yds in ideal conditions. But today on the same land, there were shots around outbuildings and livestock pens, where I still wanted the hard hitting power of the extra ft/lb's and ability to take these shots from around 60yds due livestock fence lines and no cover in between. Its just always the case, that I pick the wrong rifle before hand. Today with the .17 I could of had a some lovely long rabbits, but that's the way it goes. I honestly believe my 'FAC' .22 air is as good as any .22 L/R having used both recently. I love 'fac' air. KB1
     
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    FAC air 18ft/lb barnwork and 60yd rabbits, 22lr up to130yds 17hmr up to 175yds,223 foxes up to 300yds ( my eyes aren't as good as they used to be).
     
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    ps 17hmr only in still air.
     
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    That must seem like an age, by the time that .22 L/R hits that 130 yds target. I don't think I could hit a rabbit out to 175yds using .17hmr however calm it was. Have heard individuals talk about 130/140 yds, but never that far. KB1
     
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    you say fac air for barn work I can totally understand that but you also say rabbits up to 60 yards.
    surely the .22lr would be the better optio here due to the flatter trajectory of the .22lr compared to fac air and even better .17hmr?
     
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    Have been shooting since the mid sixties, many people accompanied me and can confirm that these are realistic distances.
     
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    matt I'm giving parameters, I don't carry all my weapons with me all the time bud.
     
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    Kermit, I don't think that the rabbits notice the elapsed time from the trigger pull,to their demise.
     
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    Lol
     
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    175 yards with hmr?
     
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    Totally realistic, shot numerous bunnies @ that distance, Google it, they're taking Prairie Dogs out @ 250 plus.
     
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    .22lr deffanatly out performs fac air , I had fac air for several years then got the rimmie then soon sold both my air rifles and now have 2 rimfires . the only advantage of the air is when you might have safety issues with the rimfire.
     
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    Take your point, but wont be giving up my fac air anytime soon. KB1
     
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