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177 kral bullpup

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by j rayner, Jun 16, 2016.

  1. biotaw1

    biotaw1 Engaging Member

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    As I understand it, if it's over it's my responsibility even if the AT is there and it came from a UK RFD so there's nothing to lose. More to the point, given where and how I use it there's no reason I'd ever have a run in with the law so I'm not too concerned! Not exactly running round the local park shooting at cats:p
     
  2. cybernet69

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    Point taken. :) If it were me then I would make it a project. Yes, they should be perfect from the manufacturer but at that price for a PCP then obviously QC is not going to be great. But with a little tinkering here and there then I am sure it could be a great product without spending too much. Go for it.
     
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    very interesting,,,,,,,ceep it coming lads
     
  4. Kai87

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    Have you not got your yet pal?
     
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    FWIW my .22 bullpup is most accurate with Bisley Mags.
     
  6. Jim-in-Darwen

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    I have just ordered a couple of tins off Ebay to give them a go. No problem with the JSB Magnums but it will be interesting to see how it performs with the Bisley Magnums.
    Only down side I see is that a tin is only 200 pellets so 2 tins may only last me a session on the club range and at £6 for 200 that is £12 a pop down on the range.

    Jim
     
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    no mate,,,,,nothing in yet,,,iv phoned the importer,,,said any time now
     
  8. kenhawker

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    I noticed that I was getting a slight bit of windage shift with mine so I have put to raps of electrical tape under the rail clamp and tightend everything back up. Now theres no zero shift.
    Hope this helps
     
  9. biotaw1

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    My sense that I'd cracked the accuracy issue by not shooting it off a firm rest is diminishing. Generally better groups but still ridiculous flyers and frankly using it just p****s me off now. The ridiculous anti-tamper means I can't do a thing about trying to sort it which actually puts me off ever buying a UK PCP again.

    Maybe it's a technique issue but it just seems hard to believe when I can pick up any of my other rifles and nail perfectly good groups with ease.
     
  10. cybernet69

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    Tron on another thread has the same issues. He got a gunsmith to look inside the barrel and apparently it's shocking. No choke, rifling missing in places and the crown is off centre.
     
  11. Jim-in-Darwen

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    One unfortunate thing about forums is that there is a greater tendency to post if unhappy about something. This I feel is giving a slewed idea about these guns. It does seem that some have been very unfortunate and got very substandard barrels whilst others have been happy with the performance of theirs. I suspect that if everyone that has bought one and found it good was to post then the goods would outnumber the bads (just as they should do)
    There is really no excuse for barrels that have such glaring problems with them.
    If I was Tron I would definitely write to Kral and tell them of your problems and maybe even include confirmation of it by the RFD that has seen it. If they are half way decent they should replace it with a barrel that they have thoroughly inspected and possibly tested. We should never put up with substandard goods - that would be just the same as setting fire to your hard earned.

    Jim
     
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    Yep, mine was the same, crown off centre and rough rifling. I'm actually on my second one (the RFD swapped it) but actually it's much the same!

    Maybe dodgy barrels are more common in the .177s? Seems like no one with a .22 has reported a problem that I've seen. This was the same with the Spa P10 I believe.
     
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    Have you tried removing the barrel and pushing a pellet through with a rod? Might find a tight, rough or looseness in the barrel
     
  14. biotaw1

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    Yep, done that and found all 3!
     
  15. cybernet69

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    The barrels were outsourced to Hatsan, who apparently made a batch of over 16,000 bad barrels due to a fault with the machine.
     
  16. Jim-in-Darwen

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    That might explain the problem seemingly confined to the 177 barrel alone.

    Jim
     
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    There is no doubt it is a very good rifle. I have written earlier that every major component seemingly adjusted or held into position by 2 grub screws. BUT Q Control is obviously very poor when it comes to the barrels. I purchased mine at the "Give away price" of £375.00! Fantastic value for a side lever multishot, Walnut stock,large shot count, adjustable power switch, 2, 12 shot mags, I wanted it in .177 but the shop had none? made it clear they didnt want to order me one, said mine was part of stock clearance. I assumed ( after looking at prices shown by other dealers, some asking over £500. that perhaps what stock in the shop I purchased mine from had been slow sellers? The importers are are obviously nit picking in voiding my G/tee, cybernet69 makes a valid point why anti tamper the barrel? AA 4, and 510 series have no barrel AT at all including most makers. Seems only me and biotaw1 have trouble on this forum, biotaw1 is going to get rid of his I dont blame him. Jim is lucky with his guns blistering accuracy, certainly p****s me off in envy!:D
     
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    how much was cheap?
     
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    Bummer, not much you can do with that, i live local, if you have a spare barrel I could machine it up for you.
     
  20. cybernet69

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    Apart from KRAL then the RFD is at fault too. They should have taken the gun back straight away, offered a refund or replacement to the customer's liking. It's the usual attitude in this country, stuff the customer.

    Regardless of warranty the RFD has sold a dud rifle. They are equally responsible as it came from their shop. Therefore they are liable. I would trash them on social media sites.
     

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