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Question 12 Fpe And Your Thoughts On It

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Hiram, Oct 14, 2019.

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Is 12 FPE limit too little, too much or just right?

  1. Just right, would't change a thing

    70 vote(s)
    44.9%
  2. Too low, should be higher

    84 vote(s)
    53.8%
  3. Too high, could be lower

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  1. MartinJGUK

    MartinJGUK Posting Addict

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    Absolutely
     
  2. rabbitwrecker

    rabbitwrecker The Tree Hunter...

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    Ooh yes please... :thumb:
     
  3. BallisticBill

    BallisticBill Posting Addict

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    I'd prefer the limit to be 18ft lbs for hunting - a sensible limit for .177 as you can then get 900+fps and flattest possible trajectory, which has to be beneficial for humane kills. I'll listen to all the cr@p about shooters skills and 12fpe being enough... the determining factor is ranging precision. I've said it before, at 50 metres the rate of drop of a 12fpe .22 is about 10mm per metre. Most rangefinders only read to the nearest metre (and aren't reliably accurate to 1m anyway). There wouldn't be any benefit in going higher in the UK as there is no airgun-legal quarry that needs higher power in a larger calibre.
     
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  4. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    50m is rimfire territory, simple as that
     
  5. JamieB57

    JamieB57 Busy Member

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    That’s identical power of a 12 bore shotgun,give or take a bit!
     
  6. JamieB57

    JamieB57 Busy Member

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    I take it you mean FPS there, not mph? As 700mph would be over 1000FPS.
     
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  7. BallisticBill

    BallisticBill Posting Addict

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    So you think it's not FAC air territory?
     
  8. mike-carter

    mike-carter Pro Poster

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    Oops, my bad, misprint.
     
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  9. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    Borderline. FAC air is (imo) for where rimfire isn't appropriate
     
  10. BallisticBill

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    I'd be happy with 18fpe in .177 up to 60m in ideal conditions. I agree 50m (and less) is borderline in many circumstances - main factor being windage - and rimfire would be better. The point in going for a higher limit is to avoid having to use rimfire.
     
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  11. sabc

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    I’ve been down the FAC air route a number of years ago. Never bothered reapplying after my ticket expired. I found myself hardly using it after the novelty wore of. I only had the one permission that was cleared for it. Couldn’t plink in the garden or any where else I had permission to shoot. Found myself using my sub 12 air rifles far more.
    I’m happy with the 12ftlbs limit. It’s enough for what I do. If I did want or need more I’d go rim fire.
     
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  12. binxkeys

    binxkeys Engaging Member

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    I'm happy at 12fpe, and anybody needing more than that can have it with a suitable application. Of course I 'want' more power, but I think 12fpe is a decent compromise in terms of being able to freely play around in a back garden or have a decent time at a typical shooting range. Many of us (me included) shoot in the garden. Would you really see any benefit of more than 12fpe?
     
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  13. BallisticBill

    BallisticBill Posting Addict

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    That's pretty much where I am. There's no need for more power plinking. The issue for me is I have a permission with a rabbit problem and limited cover on approach. An extra 20 yards range would be a big advantage. It doesn't seem worth going FAC (rimfire is out of the question)... until a horse breaks a leg! :facepalm:
     
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    I think we have it right, it all depends on what type of shooting you do, 12ftlbs is fine for targets and for hunting within sensible ranges IF your permissions are suited.
    I have quite a few varied perms and I’m not one for ambushing, if you can locate a warren and happy to sit for long periods waiting for rabbits to appear to shoot them at 30 yds then sub12 is just the job.
    All of my shooting apart from rats is walked up so a certain amount of stalking is required and I love that aspect as much as pulling the trigger, the fact is with extra power you can be more effective regarding pest control. Times I’d take 15mins slowly making ground on a rabbit and getting within 30yds to take him only to see another one 30yds away and having to repeat the process, FAC air means you can take him too without getting up, simple as that!
    Having started out using sub12 and then going over to FAC air I’ve seen how effective the extra range is and no longer own a sub12 rifle.
    If there were no restrictions not many of us would be running our rifles at 12ftlbs that’s a fact.
    Applying for a FAC is no drama if you have good reason and land or a club then it’s a case of gaining a few signatures and bunging a cheque in the post, it’s a simple process but one that helps stopping idiots getting their hands on a lethal weapon.
     
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    Rather than changing the 12 ft.lb limit, which I find is quite ok for anything I want to do, I would like to see it properly defined. 12 ft.lb with what pellets? Under what conditions? With what tolerance? And the ridiculous 'capable of...' condition replaced by a clear, achievable requirement. But now we are back in Scarlett Johannsen territory....

    Alan
     
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    It’s fine as it is.

    if you want more power then apply for FAC and abide by the very strict laws.

    ive only recently obtained my FAC and high powered air rifle and can see the amount of damage a higher powered air gun can do compared to a sub 12...

    I certainly wouldn’t want higher power in the hands of inexperienced shooters who could just buy over the counter easily that’s for sure

    sub 12 is perfectly adequate for majority of hunting and 100% of target shooting.

    If you eventually find you need more range / distance capability for hunting then that’s great... get an FAC license
     
  17. Lev Levvin

    Lev Levvin Pro Poster

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    Agree !
     
  18. Hiram

    Hiram Posting Addict

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    Indeed Mr Carter! That's what intrigued me about air rifles to start with and led me to this forum. I was very impressed with how skillfully UK shooters were able to take what we would never consider a viable hunting arm and use it with incredibly effective competency. Had me rethinking things...
     
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    I’ve been shooting air rifles for years and 12ftlbs is enough for me if I wanted more power I’d get a rimfire
    Or a bow and arrow.
     
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  20. JoeHeugh

    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    I'm happy with it really. In practical hunting terms I don't think another few fpe are going to make any difference to my quarry or the ranges I shoot over. I've not looked into it but may be .25 at 20fpe would make hares a reasonable proposition but for that and longer ranges I'd prefer the power and convenience of rimfire anyway. Licences are a pain in the *rse, I'm already into week 11 of waiting for mine but I do think that's better than making it easy for idiots to get their hands on something more lethal than 12fpe.
     
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