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Question 12 Fpe And Your Thoughts On It

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Hiram, Oct 14, 2019.

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Is 12 FPE limit too little, too much or just right?

  1. Just right, would't change a thing

    70 vote(s)
    44.9%
  2. Too low, should be higher

    84 vote(s)
    53.8%
  3. Too high, could be lower

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  1. mike-carter

    mike-carter Pro Poster

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    What? Wow. No handbags or shoes for her then. Persuasion Rm, deep heavy persuasion. Good Luck.
     
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  2. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    If you can't do the job with 12 ft/lb, 15 won't help a jot!;)
     
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  3. mike-carter

    mike-carter Pro Poster

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    Precisely
     
  4. r10hunter

    r10hunter Honorary Member

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    I think the system is fairly reasonable now.

    The need for land clearance for .177 and .22 FAC air rifles is a little stupid though no reason for them not to go straight on open tickets.
    Where they can be used on any land the holder deems suitable just like he can with his shotgun.
     
  5. Mike Bowler

    Mike Bowler Engaging Member

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    Imo As a on the range target shooter I'm happy with 12lbs can;t see the point of any more power unless it;s your job .
     
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    I moved abroad 20+ years ago... with me I took my Anschutz 335 a sub 12 fpe .22(5,5mm).
    All well n good... until 7 years ago they changed the law here. All weapons larger than .177(4,5mm) have to be registered and require the equivalent of an FAC license, no matter what the power is.
    However... the crazy thing is, you can have a .177 pushing 23 gr. piledrivers at over 900 ft/sec.. thats around 38-40 fpe with no restrictions and no license needed.
    I choose a lighter option the HW110 with 18-19 fpe in .177

    12 fpe is plenty for plinking and short range pest control...and is still dangerous if used irresponsibly.
    In Denmark we have to take a hunting license course, followed by a test, things like quarry recognition, range judgement, and the law regarding hunting and wildlife...and shooting skill.
    If your dedicated to a sport/hobby/lifestyle I dont think it's too much to offer up some time to learn more about shooting/hunting to get your license.
    Then you can have all the fun/power you want...even a 500 FPE AirForce Texan.
     
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  7. MartinJGUK

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    Sub 12 is perfectly fine for hunting small game, and with the headlines I keep seeing about cats getting shot and the like I’d rather idiots like that couldn’t get their hands on a 20ftlb rifle if they can’t be trusted with a sub 12. If you feel you need more power get an FAC and just be glad we’ve got a 12ftlbs limit and not 6ftlb like Mikey says. The other side of it is, if the limit was suddenly raised to 20ftlb or above just watch the value of your 12ftlbs guns drop as the secondhand market gets flooded with them. I think the current system is fine and doesn’t need changing, if you can’t get to within 40 yards of your quarry it’s not the guns fault
     
  8. Richard James

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    @Ramsay with the greatest respect.

    You have just illustrated the problem. While licencing is unnecessary, no problems. The moment that licencing is required, registration is also required. Then it's just a matter of time until the thefts begin.

    Then you not only CAN'T have "all the fun you want", you'll have your guns stolen from you, due to the bad behaviour of someone else, and laughably "compensated" at the price you paid for it, ten years ago.

    That's why, dissatisfied with the iniquities of the system though I am, I would prefer the current status quo.
     
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  9. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    If the limit was raised to 20 ft/lb I would give it three days before the first "Why can't it be 30 ft/lb" thread started.:D
     
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  10. ThirtyAughtSix

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    Shot placement is everything and a sub 12 will still cause serious harm or worst case scenario, death, if misused. I enjoy my sub 12fpe air rifles just as much as any of my other section 1 firearms. Personally, I don't have *much* issue with firearms law as it is. I wholeheartedly agree though, if you want more than 12fpe then apply for an FAC providing you can prove your good reason.
     
  11. rabbitwrecker

    rabbitwrecker The Tree Hunter...

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    Neither would 18-20 ft/lbs, but you could run an HW80 at the power level that nature intended... :thumb:
     
  12. Ramsay

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    Just another illustration of how rule don't always make sense...
    In Denmark you can have a 40 fpe 177 no licensing required...however if you want to muffle its bark..you'll need a silencer license.
    Go figure!!
     
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  13. Ramsay

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    I'm hesitant to put a scope on any spring with more than 12 fpe.. I've busted too many..
     
  14. telephonepete

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    But maybe she doesnt.:)
     
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    I like the South African Air Weapons Act - unlimited power up to .22 caliber, it's up to you what power is set up,everything else FAC
     
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    rabbitwrecker The Tree Hunter...

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    I doubt if you could tell the difference - from the firing cycle - between an 80 running at 18 ft/lbs and one running sub-12...
     
  17. Tinbum

    Tinbum Delusions of adequacy

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    If you aren't a member of a club airguns here are restricted to 20j. However, anyone over 18 can buy any black powder pistol, revolver or rifle with absolutely no restriction.

    How about a nice Kodiak Double Express rifle in .72 cal putting out a healthy 3000+ ft/lb?
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  18. HW100Tuning

    HW100Tuning Straight Pride

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    Nothing is free in the UK.
     
  19. DrGunn

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    The sub 12 / FAC system we currently have is a pretty good compromise between letting us enjoy our sport and protecting everyone from a few idiots. If you need more power then the cost in getting an FAC is minimal compared to what we will readily spend on guns, optics and ammunition and they generally aren’t difficult to get as long as you can justify it. I’d rather see more FEOs and suitably trained and knowledgeable police to make the FAC process quicker and more efficient than an increase in unlicensed muzzle energy. Unfortunately I doubt this is any more likely.
     
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  20. Teuchter Boy

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    I have sub 12 and fac airguns. Sub 12 works fine for plinking and hunting, however fac airguns are certainly more capable. Happy enough with the distinction but would agree the fac process needs to be overhauled. If you are just plinking sub 12 is great and offers various challenges, if you are hunting the same applies: and if you can show good reason, off and get yourself an fac airgun if you are so minded.
     

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