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12 bore damage

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by Buzz, Jun 6, 2008.

  1. Buzz

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    A few days ago A1 made a statement something like his Dad wouldn't let him have a shotgun and A1 said "they don't do as much damage as you think."

    This set me thinking and on those grounds so I've put a few facts together.

    I've assumed for my calculations a lead cartridge of 28 grams, a pretty average velocity of 1400 FPS and an approximate conversion of grams to grains being x 15.4 making the 28 gram = approx 432 grains.

    The biggest shot in the UK is AAA and a 28 gram cartridge has 35 of them making each one 12.5 grains. This means each pellet has an energy of around 54.4 ft/lbs.

    The smallest shot in the UK is No 9 and there are approximately 560 of them in a 28 gram cartridge making each one around .77 grains. This means that each of these pellets has an approx energy of only 3.35 ft/lbs.

    So the range in the UK is from approximately 54 ft/lbs per pellet to a tiny 3.35 ft/lbs per pellet and this is muzzle energy, not energy on target, ehich would be much less.

    An average shotgun at full choke has a shot pattern of 40" dia at 40 yds, so you can soon see that triple A at 35 would be pretty powerful, but would have huge gaps in the pattern, whereas No9 would have a very full pattern but would only have the sting of a bee.

    Looking at these figures I think it's pretty safe to say that a shotgun used properly isn't terribly powerful, but accidents which usually happen at very short range could be very serious indeed and probably fatal.
     
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    Buzz have you ever seen Mythbusters on TV, they do loads of tests with firearms.
    One show was about how locks/padlocks are shot out in the movies.
    They did some testing to see if it was really possible, and they only gun that was capable of totally wrecking a padlock was a shotgun. :)
     
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    when my dad sees a shotgun he thinks of it shredding a human into tiny pieces ad 100yds:rolleyes:

    probably could at point blank:D
     
  4. Buzz

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    This is what I was trying to show Andy, a shotgun is a very complex animal, totally dependant on cartridge and range to determine whether it's a killer or an over grown aerosol.

    The 28 grms in total = 432 grains and at 1400 ft/sec = 1880 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. If you take this with big shot at close range it's a formidable force, but at long range spread through 560 tiny shot it's not.
     
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    erm.

    i'll stick to .22=16 grain of pain:D
     
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    They use special shells which are full of something like powder, so there's no chance of anything coming back at the person holding the gun :up:
     
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    or killing a possible hostage on the other side
     
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    That too, good work p.i. a1 :D
     
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    how many times do i have to tell you to check whats on the other side of the target.:mad::D
    check your backstops its a simple saftey precaution:rolleyes:

    kids these days:D
     
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    I love it when you talk dirty.........thats why the 12g is the preferred suicide tool....it take no prisoners.........what is it a1 says, survivors will be shot again.....l think we can rest our case:p
     
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    I think Sumo can tell you a thing or two about shotguns;)
     
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    Dont know bout that mate but I do know that you dont want to be in front of my fav cartridges at 100yds!.

    Sellier & Bellot OO Buck, 2 3/4" with 9x8mm balls,1300fps.
    One hell of a lot of lead on a 8 shot semi auto in full choke.

    Eley 3"Magnum BB, 41x4.1mm shot,1200fps
    And the daddy,
    Federal Magnum Hi-Shok slug 3",1550fps.
    1 1/4 oz sabot slug, puts a hell of a dent in 3/4" plate @ 100yds on point of aim!.

    12 gauge is no popgun in any cartridge type,even in a riot format some of those bean bag loads can kill if hit in the wrong place.:up:
     

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