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Advice 10m Pistol Ideas..

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Reevo17, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:46 PM.

  1. mickson

    mickson Engaging Member

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    Personally i would rather have the 75 & try & make it fit me with minor mods, good luck with your choice.
     
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  2. twodoctors

    twodoctors "Have a go" gunsmith...

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    I had a HW45 that I made the trigger too light before. I doubt you can get the Gamo as light as the HW45 that I had. Only problem I had with that one was the weight and the "recoil". I'm only a relatively skinny guy and can't hold it steady enough for 1-handed precision 10m shooting.

    Being a woodworker, I would agree with Mickson on making a new grip for what you have. Or try thermoplastic, a cheap and cheerful solution for an ergonomic grip.
     
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  3. GamoGat

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    I think you might not enjoy going from the 75 to the compact.

    The match downsides of the HW75 are the high sight line, the quirky setting the hammer and it would be nice to have more adjustable sights (front element and rear). FPS is circa 425 which is good for SSP. Trigger blade adjustment would be nice, but the actual trigger sears and adjustment are very good.

    The compact (a cheaper pistol anyways) has a nicer adjustable grip. A lower sight line, while the front blade is molded into the frame the rear has an adjustable for width notch which is a nice feature not seen on more costly pistols. The overall build quality is not to HW75 standard. also no scope rails.

    The trigger has a nice angle adjustment on the finger blade. The other issues of non working adjuster screw (too short) and dressing the sear faces are well documented and a job for those that like to tinker.
    FPS is circa 380-400fps.

    From the context of a budget starter the compact can do well, even better with some work, is fairly cheap, light weight, easy to operate and styled a bit nicer than others, they have quite a cult following because of this and the next step up from a compact would be a 75 or if you could stretch the cost go to a FAS 604/6004 which is circa 350-380fps but trigger and sights and handling are better and it's a Match pistol, from there it's Tau 7 or older CO2 models or go full PCP.

    All of course a single viewpoint :D
    I would love a FAS but a HW75 is easier to get and i could live with it, maybe try some trigger shoes and an aftermarket grip and look into altering the sights, or leave alone if i did allright. I wouldn't think of trading down, either adapt what i had or look to the next level up.

    Or find a cheap compact and play around with it anyway :D
     
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  4. Paul_T

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    I have a FAS6004 and TBH I wouldn’t recommend it. I’ve got mine shooting pretty well now at around 360 FPS IIRC with Grecos, but it took a lot of messing and some re machine to get it to that. When I first got it it was shooting a 300 FPS ish and wouldn’t cut clean holes.

    IMHO by the time you have paid for a HW75 and a rink grip (which are excellent BTW I have one on my Drulov DU10) you could have probably bought a second hand Steyr LP2 or a new Hammerli AP20.

    If it’s a SSP you want I’d look out for either a FAS604, an FWB100, 101 etc. or an airmatch 600 but all are super rare.
     
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  5. DrGunn

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    I have a few 10m air pistols:
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    Of the ones I have I would say:

    If you want to have a go without getting too serious and want something new then you would struggle to do better than a Gamo compact for the price. The trigger is a bit rough out of the box but is easy to sort. The sights are good and the grips are good. It’s quite light though and weight (within reason) helps keep things steady.

    If you are looking at second hand vintage recoilless springers:

    FWB 65 is a classic, is superbly accurate and is beautifully built. If the seals have been done it should work for decades with little to no maintenance. Not too bad to work on if it needs it and seals are easy to get. Is very solid, has a good trigger and excellent sights but is quite heavy.

    Diana Giss: the 6m is nice but the trigger is not the best. The model 10 is a true 10m match gun and the trigger is as superb and sights are good. All the Giss guns are properly recoilless and great to shoot. They are not as bad to work on as people make out and there are plenty of us on here who could help sort them if required. Once re-sealed they should work for decades.

    SSPs:
    The old Walther LP2 is very well built, great triggers and very accurate. However they are quite front heavy and the ergonomics aren’t great due to very vertical grips (I’ve not tried one with an anatomical grip but can’t imagine they are significantly better).

    FWB100 series: superb guns al round but expensive and hard to find.
     
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  6. Reevo17

    Reevo17 Group therapy

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    Thermoplastic!! Sounds intriguing! Might have to look this stuff up!
     
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    Reevo17 Group therapy

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    That’s a fair point - it is a lovely pistol
     
  8. Reevo17

    Reevo17 Group therapy

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    Thanks mate, that’s a good read and makes sense

    I’ve spend the last hour reading...

    Trying to find a lefty Gamo seems tricky and looking at them, apart from the grips I agree and think my 75 wins. The Gamo seems similar in body height as the 75...

    A tau/fwb would be nice so may add them to the wish list if one ever pops up. A google shows FAS did some lefty 6004s but I’m darned if I can see any for sale!

    I might try something with my grips or make my own for the 75.... it’ll never sit low in the hand but I may be able to make it fit better in the hand..... having larger hands it’s certainly more controllable than the 40 I had. The 40 was wonderful but just felt to small in the hand...

    On FPS. If I recall my 75 was only doing sub 2ftlb in the region of 350... I oiled the washer as I bought secondhand - didn’t change anything.

    Anything to look for to up this slightly?
     
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    Thanks buddy,

    I have the 75 already but agree - total price soon adds up.

    I want to avoid pcp where possible as I sold all my gear so don’t want the hassle of getting it again.

    I’ve found a fwb100 lefty... it’s a long way away but I’m watching it like a hawk. Failing that my 75 will be fine....
     
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  10. Reevo17

    Reevo17 Group therapy

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    Wow that’s a stunning collection! Which one do you reach for first??

    Life would be a lot easier if I was right handed!

    Tomorrow I’m determined to see how I fare right handed!

    I was born right handed, had whooping cough as a kid and had eye operations as a result so being little had to learn to write left handed.

    Left eye dominant, write left handed, kick a ball left foot but do everything else right....

    Rifles I struggle but pistols I might be ok...... hmm...
     
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    The FWB 100 is my go to match air pistol but I also really enjoy shooting the older ones - particularly the FWB 65 and Original model 10. They all get used periodically though.
    I believe FWB made grips with a slight angular offset for people who are right handed but left eye dominant.
     
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  12. Lukeypoodle

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    Keep your eyes peeled for older target pistol bargains, a Hammerli master is a very capable pistol and they can be had for very little. Or hold out for an IZH-46m, they do crop up and you can get a set of rinks for them to make a great SSP package.

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  13. marflow

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    no a Gamo compact will not give a step up to the HW75
    i own everything mentioned but the 100 series FWB and the FAS604
    i'll tell you working on the FWB 65-80-90 is no picnic, if you don't what to work on a Diana model 6-6g-6m
    so what is the definition of a 10m gun, a gun that can shoot 10m's or a gun that is made to shoot 10m's
    i believe the later is true
    so now you need to find the best gun for your money to practice shooting 10m's
    many of the guns mentioned are getting old and parts are drying up
    and the LOV 21 be considered a 10m gun is funny to me and yes i own one of them, trigger is great but it has a bad habit, it like to blow the bolt open when firing
    a Diana model 10 was not mentioned very nice pistol great trigger
    so how many pounds do you have to spend today and how much would you have 6 month from now, or a year
    if you want to shoot 10m pistol do it right once and if you don't want a pcp pistol look for a FWB 103, it would be the best non pcp air pistol out there
    now on the parts for the 46m, there are sellers on Ebay that sell parts and if you ask them they will get you what is not listed
    left hand pistols, that can be a problem in the secondary market
    as stated above Rink in Germany can make replacement grip for many old pistols but at 220.00 to the states i have never bought any, oh i have looked
    can you get guns shipped from Germany if so look at EGUN auction site
    they have stuff that i drool over over there and 103's do show up from time to time

    well i have droned on long enough, make a plan save your money and do it once or you will end up like me with too many guns


    mike in the states
     
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  14. GamoGat

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    Can't say to low power with the HW75.

    Pretty much every review i have seen rates them top whack to 425.

    It does sound like the compression seal may have worn so allowing blow by.
    First step is to oil through the cylinder port (small hole visiable in cylinder) which you have tried, can always try again with heavier oil, beyond that it sounds like worn o-rings and replacement time.
     
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    If you already have a HW75, a proper ISSF rink grip would very nice upgrade.
    The rink grip on my Drulov fits so well it makes it feel like it’s an extension of my arm, well worth the £200 ish.
     
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  16. GamoGat

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    @marflow
    We are currently having trading issues with our European neighbours, this started on January 1st the word that cannot be spoken.... the B word.

    Might have been missed across the pond with all the drama there :D
     
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  17. Reevo17

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    Egun has been on my browser most of the day....

    I’m a tad scared to use it though.

    Are there any hidden charges on there? Literally bid pay postage?
     
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    Thanks mate, might try swapping it out see what it does... it’s a pre white writing 75 so may we’ll be worn
     
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    Reevo17 Group therapy

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    Ah man.... tease!!
     
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    Sorry mate :p
     

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