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100% legal is it possible??

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Stevie Darling, May 22, 2016.

  1. essex sniper

    essex sniper Banned

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    And before you all start on me I have nothing in writing but I do know some one that got caught and was nicked for poaching , armed trespass and he's new r10 was slightly over but he didn't get life lol
     
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    depends what they got doing at the time , shooting at pets , kids,.... cars etc depends on the crime . but i have and still do turn rifles down to 11.2 11.9 is to border line . between them the accuracy nothing worth bothering about and the difference is its totally legal :)
     
  3. essex sniper

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    Totally agree they should be under but if there on the limit or .1or 2 over then your not gonna get in big trouble are you
     
  4. Alex.B

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    Arrrrgggggggghhhhhhh ! Off to gun shop to have them turned down to 1 :D, just incase it's a hot day with a tornado behind me and the pellet gets sucked up by a low flying euro fighter and the pellet leaves my perm :eek:, nope forget that I'm going back to bed :)
     
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    i agree noo

    however they could , to be funny confiscate it . and you woud get a fine . so 4 or 6 less they would give your rifle back and you would not get fine ... i dont even go there like i said . most people spend 800 on a rifle and then will not spend 40 on a chrono .. its a mad world ... then to top it of they throw an ebay scope on it for 18 pound ... the worlds crackers mate
     
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    Same as Carl, JSB Heavies at 11.7 fpe.
     
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    Then it could go over with a lighter pellet.
     
  8. whitevanman574

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    ssshhhhhh these people do not know this yet :D spoil sport
     
  9. shauny

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    unfortunatley as far as the law is concerned,ignorance is no excuse.
     
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    like i already said, lighter pellets in my pcp cause the power to go down not up with my springer its the opposite
     
  11. Patrick

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    No manufacturer can guarantee that their rifles won't go over the limit with any and every brand and type of pellet unless they set the power limit,if it's a pcp,low to start with say something like 8-9 ftlbs which would severely limit their use for hunting or pest control.A springer can regulated by its spring and/or transfer port size.Most makers I imagine test their guns with one or two of the most popular brands of pellets and set the power with them.AirArms check/test their guns with AA pellets and set the power with them but that does not guarantee that the gun wont exceed the limit with another pellet.
    As for the point about your gun being checked why would the police want to check your gun if you behaving and using it in a perfectly responsible and legal manner and even if in these circumstances they did and found it to be a fraction over they'd almost certainly advise you to get the power altered to make it comply or use a different pellet to make it comply.These scare stories that if the police happen to test your gun and it's a fraction over you'll got to prison for 5 yrs or something is alarmist to say the least.I would imagine the police would only take further action if the gun was way over the limit or you were committing some offence with it,in which case you deserve it.I would think most police forces allow a small margin of error as I've said before most forces what with all the cutbacks etc they're far to busy to concern themselves that all responsible airgun owners guns are not putting out 12.1fpe instead of 11.9fpe.I honestly can't imagine that it ranks very high on their list of priorities.
     
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    Maybe you're right - perhaps I just shouldn't post at all since I clearly lack the capacity to appreciate your wit.

    Thanks for your guidance and please accept my sincerest apologies for this gross misunderstanding on my part :rolleyes:
     
  13. essex sniper

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    No problem. Not the apology you actually owe me but it's a start atb
     
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    Im wondering just where in reality the responsibility lies when dealing with a new sub 12ft/lb gun that you have just purchased from an RFD. I mean, they sold it to you on the basis that it is sub 12 and therefore didn't need to see it on a FAC. The gun has been manufactured/set up to not produce more than 12 ft/lb of energy out of the box.

    So... given these facts, if for some reason your new gun is tested by the police and they are able to make it go over 12fpe, I just can't see how this would be the new owners fault. Infact I would go well out of my way to make it a problem for the manufacturer or retailer since they have just sold a gun illegally.

    My new BSA R10 MK2 produces 11.4 fpe with 14.6 grain H&N FTT's in it. 16 grain AA Field and its running 11.8-9. So if I run some Bis mags through it and it tops 12, then just who's problem is that.... I bought and paid for a sub 12 legal gun as I don't have an FAC!
     
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    A head's up for all of those coming to the AGF meet or even those that may start attending HFT shoots. We will be chronoing the rifles prior to the competitions starting. If you nudge over the limit it could ruin your day. Get it checked for peace of mind. Rattus went all the way to South Wales and failed the chrono after his first shot. The HFT police are much less forgiving than the old bill.
     
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    They would probably argue it is your responsibility to ensure your gun is legal, my RFD never tested any of my guns when i bought them he did little more than hand me the boxes, i checked them myself.

    Brand new out of the box guns should be correct and under the legal limit, if not then the manufacturer is at fault in my opinion as it is them that build them, the RFD is just the man in the middle? my take on it anyway :)
     
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    That's my point,

    you don't purchase a rifle that is 100% legal, so why is it our responsibility when most of us can't strip a rifle and set it up properly to make sure it's legal with every pellet.

    testing with 3 or 4 different pellets means nothing when you have head size, brand, shape even time of year to take into consideration.
     
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    you own the gun,its your duty to ensure its legal. no ifs or buts
     
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    well there is no short answer but if you shoot bud , you should know how to strip and maintain your rifle and chrono it :eek:
     
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    A TWIST ON THE TALE ... IS you have bought the latest rifle that has ant tamper rivets all over it ....
    thats why i do not buy new ........ but what if and its doing over 12 they know you have not been twiddling because of the AT
     

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