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10-metre Competition / Biathlon Rifle Question(s)...

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by WesseH, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. WesseH

    WesseH Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    TLDR: I am looking for
    1) Good search terms to filter specifically for 10-metre competition rifles (6 ft lb) (Including for use in this forum as I only found 1 thread on topic and that was advertising a Brocock Concept in 2012)
    2) Information on a selection of models I am considering so far
    3) Information on models I may want to consider but have not yet come across
    4) Anyone who may be willing to sell their 10-metre rifle (must be in good working order and may still take some time before I am actually ready to take you up on whatever offer you may have for me, hence not in "Wanted").

    The long version:
    I have recently had a go with an Anschutz 9015 and a Walther LGM-1 owned by fellow members at our club and found the free-standing 10-metre discipline a thoroughly enjoyable experience. So, I am now considering getting myself a rifle as, of course, in keeping with the full metal jacket mantra, "this is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine". The only way to truly practice a shooting discipline starts with having one's own rifle, set up to personal preference.

    However, while I have found several options in a great variety of price ranges, I am struggling not just to sift through the options but to figure out how to even filter for them.

    So the first question I have is: what is the // is there a proper description / search term for a 6 ft lb 10-metre competition / biathlon rifle with front and rear (diopter?) sights?

    Then: is there an absolute number one rifle to consider for this discipline in the price range of 'up to £1,000'?

    3) Are there more 'dual power' options available, like the BSA Silver Star offers?
    And further to this option: The idea of having a 50-metre and a 10-metre rifle for the price of one seems quite appealing as a concept, but how much time and effort would end up going into swapping the diopter sights for a scope and being able to retain the zero on both those aiming mechanisms? (even when marking the rail for the placement of the sight and scope and keeping a dedicated scope and sights specific to that rifle, I would imagine swapping and changing would affect zero (even more so on the diopter sights due to the alignment between the 2 parts?

    Other options below £1k that I have seen and might consider include the AA MPR Precision and the Hämmerli AR20 (although the latter seems to be out of stock everywhere?)

    I like the Hämmerli because it seems to offer fairly similar (personalisation) features to the top end of the range, in terms of butt pad/cheek piece/hamster/etc adjustment, as well as a lothar walther barrel, which, I gather, is something of a hallmark of straight shooting. And all for about 30% of the price the top-end Feinwerkbau (X800), Walther (LG400), Steyr (Sport Challenge) and Anschutz (9015) setups... Which may then be why it seems to be out of stock everywhere...
    4) Am I right to believe the Hämmerli AR20 should be 'good enough' to compete with these top end rifles?

    I've also seen a Brocock Concept posted about on here back in 2012, but can't really find anything about this as an option today.
    5) Is this discontinued? Or did it never get out of concept stage? Should I even consider it?

    6) If there is not one absolute best rifle to go for in the sub-1k price bracket, can anyone recommend some other options either already mentioned or completely overlooked by me so far?

    7) And, although I would only entertain very appealing offers and then still may not be ready to purchase just yet (which is why I'm not posting in the 'Wanted' section at this time), does anyone happen to have a 10-metre competition / 6 ft lb rifle in a good, working condition that could really use a new home where it will get the attention it deserves and get to come out on a road trip regularly, that they are willing to part with for a reasonable price?

    Thanks for any help/insights!
     
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  2. Troll man

    Troll man Engaging Member

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    I have an old anschutz 250 and it is still stupidly accurate. Why not spend a bit less and look at some of the fwb offerings like the 300 and the 601 and the corresponding anschutz, Walther, Diana etc . To my knowledge there isn't a way to narrow the search so it's a case of trawling through.
     
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  3. robs5230

    robs5230 Oversprung

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    The top end and well known makes are really out of your budget, new.
    Feinwerkbau, Steyr, Walther, Anschutz etc.

    As above, I'd consider as an entry level rifle, one of the older models from the top makes.
    Not so long ago, they would have been winning Olympic gold medals with the FWB300S.

    They're affordable, adjustable and as accurate as they always were. Yes they're spring powered but also recoilless.
    They hold their money well, should you decide to upgrade in future, so a pretty sound investment.

    There are single stroke pneumatics from the top makes, which superceded the springers, but these fetch strong money

    The Silver Star is a newcomer and as such a bit untested. New cost is near enough you budget.

    For a starting point on here, I'd search Feinwerkbau 300s. Plenty own them on here as they're popular rifles and there's plenty written about them.

    One or two currently in the sales section too.
     
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  4. Inca

    Inca Keyboard Hero

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    Great question WesseH, exactly the same going through my mind at the moment. 6/10 mtr target pistol is currently my preferred discipline and I’ve that squared away equipment wise, LP10 and glasses. A rifle is high on the list of things to try. Keep us inform on how you get on please.
     
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    Troll man Engaging Member

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    As a side note if you are going to try it seriously then get some tuition too as technique is the biggest factor and some one getting you the basics right is more important than the gun. I would use some of your budget on that
     
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  6. hmangphilly

    hmangphilly Big Poster

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    Ask around the club .
    See what the top shots are using ,and ask them why .
    Try to get a go if you can , but bear in mind the rifle will be set up to fit the owner and may not fit you .


    Re. searching ......
    Maybe Used 7.5j versions of

    fwb p70 ..........bit heavy
    walther lg300
    steyr lg 100 /110

    walther or fwb ssp rifles

    fwb 300
    Original / diana 75
    anschutz 250

    a decent example of any of these should be more than capable and available within budget .

    FWIW.
    I'd go Lg 300 or Steyr all day long .
     
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  7. WesseH

    WesseH Well-Known Member

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    Steyr do make some fine equipment, but it is not a make I would soon consider, at least not 'bought new'. Second hand, their older models may well make the list as 'fit for budget' however.
    For 10-metre pistols, I am happy with the Twinmaster I have, the red dot sight on it has proven without doubt that the achieved shooting results are entirely down to the person on the trigger, so I will be looking to use that at the 10 metre range (on the iron sights for competition (practice) purposes, of course).

    In order of quoted statements:
    The FWB300s is a much appreciated suggestion, a quick search showed a very acceptable price even from an RFD, of course, challenge 2 then becomes finding one within acceptable driving distance!
    This does show, apart from it being so difficult to filter to this style of rifle, it is even more difficult just to find models that are no longer sold 'as new' as Google so strongly favours the more popular/permanent RFD pages over the one-off adverts on private trade/sales/used websites.

    Clearly I was wrong about the Anschutz I tried, by the way. It was an Anschutz but not a 9015.
    Both the rifles I tried were SSP which, If anything, may be preferable for me as my property would allow me to set up a 10-metre range but I don't see myself investing in a compressor, stirrup pump, or 'diving' bottle to refill a PCP!

    As for the Silver Star being 'near enough within my budget', I've seen a new Silver Star with a 6 ft lb and a 12 ft lb bottle, from a reputable RFD, for less than £700, which is what made me consider it. The 2nd bottle option adds £120 to it, so less than £600 as a new 10-metre rifle (sights included).
    Are there additional costs to be considered that make you say 'near enough my budget'? Or is there a 'better version' you may be looking at?
    I ask only because 'less than 70% of proposed budget' seems 'well within' to me?

    My initial intention is to have a 10-metre pistol and a 10-metre rifle so that the misses and I can spend a session side by side in the 10-metre range practising 10-metre disciplines without immediately doubling up on guns for the same discipline.
    Committing to tutoring is something I would hold off on until I figure out if I just enjoy a little friendly club competition or if I really feel drawn to this discipline at a competitive level. (Similarly, I would of course get 'my own' (or both of us 'our own') rifle if I/we'd consider competing at a higher level, to avoid constant adjusting between 2 setups.

    So, in that sense, I suppose the proposed budget was mainly for lack of knowledge / looking at lower end new rifles I had found.
    Now seeing FWB300s and Walther LGR offered by RFD for 'only' £400, I suppose it is becoming unlikely I will spend more than £500 on the initial rifle.

    @hmangphilly thank you for the comprehensive list of options! I have some more Googling to do!

    I am beginning to get an idea of the available makes and models and will be making myself a list of all the options suggested here.
    Please keep the suggestions coming and/or weigh in on the suggestions already offered.
     
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  8. Inca

    Inca Keyboard Hero

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    Buying Steyr new is well beyond what I would be comfortable doing but high end 'stuff' seems to be well looked after (at least that’s what I told myself) so second hand gives you quality kit at affordable prices. And at the other end of your relationship with it you'll recoup most of what you originally paid when time comes to sell.
     
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  9. pjgtech

    pjgtech I shoot, therefore I aim......

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    No-one mentioned the Air Arms s200 yet? you can get diopters for it and a mag conversion kit if you want multi shot.... :up: would seem to be a good starter rifle?
     
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  10. robs5230

    robs5230 Oversprung

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    The near budget comment was factoring in that you may need charging equipment.
    Also worth bearing in mind that the SS is supplied in 2 formats:
    6ftlbs with Target sights
    12 ftlbs with no target sights.
    As it has the ability to change power by simply swapping cylinders, you may need to figure another cylinder into the equation.

    SSP will have a similar report on firing, as a PCP as they deliver the stored air in the same manner. As such, if using in a domestic garden, you may have to consider a silencer. This also applies to the silver star.
    The recoilless springers like the 300s, don't need silencers as they are relatively quiet on firing, though have some mechanical noise that PCP's and SSP's don't have.

    Another point on the 300 range, is that service parts are still made and available.

    RFD's will usually charge top money. Used private sales are where the better value deals are to be had.
     
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    robs5230 Oversprung

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    And there is indeed a T version of the S200.
     
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