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£199 for a pcp Crosman Benjamin Discovery

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Andy, Jul 21, 2008.

  1. Andy

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    Looks interesting, but the quoted 900 ft/sec in .22, if correct, would be well over the legal limit for the UK.
     
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    Thats on the US site, they will be UK spec and tamper proof on this side of the pond. :eek:
     
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    heard a bit about this on review center, they have a few across the pond members and they are aparently quite popular:)

    personally i like the idea.
     
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    They are pretty good for what you are paying BUT like all American airguns, they need a lot of work to be improved, so this means they will cost a little more from what you purchase it.
     
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    You get what you pay for :shrug: yes it's cheap but it's a Crosman! I doubt the seals will last five minutes, you'll be needing to take it apart replacing parts in no time.

    However I do like the PCP or CO2 idea, that's clever :D
     
  7. a1gunner

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    well you do have to start some where coggy;)

    wont be long till other makes start using this sort of tactic.

    also the you get what you pay for thing is slowly going out of fasion.
    cheap materials and labour can reduce cost.

    however i think its still safe to go with the old saying.

    i think its a great idea.
    especially for kids or people that get those fads:eek:

    like mentioned before people with back pain and so on may have a low budget but need a PCP. this will sell well i reckon
     
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    You're sure to like it.....

    IMO you're sure to like it if you give it half a chance. I've only had mine six months or so (whenever they first came out), but it has yet to fail to impress those who've seen and shot it. Straight out of the box.

    Mind you, it's at a very different price point here in the US. It costs us about that many dollars, half your price. Guess you chaps tax it a mite?

    It also has strong nostalgic value to many, being very much like the Benjamin and Sheridan pump ups. Same walnut stock, same basic feel.

    For sure power will be an issue unless your a FAC. Mine does 20 FPE with the 16 grain JSB Exacts, with a fill of 2000 PSI (or a mite less to avoid a slow shot or two at the start of the string), for 20 shots within a couple dozen fps IIRC. I have a low end Tasco variable set to 8 on it and at this point over a dozen airgunners have been able to shoot half inch groups at 25 yards within a dozen shots.

    The trigger is what the lawyers set it to, a bit under four pounds IIRC. Suitable for hunting, which was it's intended use (haven't managed to take it along yet....), but it turns out still fairly useful on the bench. Could be better, of course, but I'm satisfied. There are 'shade tree mechanic' level instructions for adding screws in obvious places to reduce engagement and overtravel....if that's your sort of stuff. I'll stick with what the factory sent this time.

    Performance on CO2 will be less, more so when it's cold. The gauge has two scales. IIRC I got something like 12 fpe on gas. There's a threaded hole in the back of the tube where a long screw can depress the hammer onto the valve to drain the charge for switching gasses or some services I would guess. I honestly don't understand why folks should fear the quality. This gun seems to draw heavily on the Benjamin tradition, I suspect the Discovery will be very long lived and rugged as well. Not to say you should give it to a teenager, along with a bucket of pellets and expect it to survive. Easy to service and tinker with (not that I'm inclined to either at this point).

    The power issue would no doubt cause underspringing and a different sort of tune. Some guys go for variable power by cobbling up a spring guide for the hammer with a solid center, removing a bit of the spring or changing it to a softer one, and threading a screw into the tapped hole on the end to change hammer preload. I've never done this, but I understand it changes things a lot. Getting a nice flat top (hopefully just under 12 fpe) would no doubt call for some valve and perhaps fill pressure changes. And then CO2 would probably delive more like 6 or 8 fpe (maybe a bit more if the tune called for lower fill pressures?).

    Again, I'm sure you'll like it if you're in the mood for what it is. Sorry it's priced like something different, it shouldn't be IMO. FWIW, I understand that other EU guys pay $550US.....doesn't that make you feel better?

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    They sold well here in Sweden as well. But most who bought them wanted a cheap "project" rifle.
    Build quality is.......cheap, but they perform well.
    This was aimed at beginers to PCP, and for that price incl pump, well you have to make allowances.
     
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    It is clever but not practical , I don't want to have to adjust my sights half way through a shoot , as when on co2 the gun fires on less power

    Also I don't think the UK version comes with pump ... if it did I would buy one sell the pump and have a cheap backup rifle ... even though I don't have a main rifle atm :(
     
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    I still don't see a problem......

    I'm not sure I follow, no doubt a result of our common language, but I still believe if you actually give the rifle a try rather than guess you'll be impressed. In the case above sure shifting 'fuels' means a different performance but if you don't I think you'll find it does quite well. With a modest 2000 psi fill, mine delivers 20 very solid 20 fpe shots all within a 17 fps window (777 to 784 to 778 using 16 grain JSBs), ending at 1000 psi. How do similar guns threre perform? On CO2 they deliver twice to three times that many shots at 12 fpe (also extremely stable). "The A Team" has even won a couple FT matches with their (trigger modified and restocked) Discovery.

    Yes, you'd need to turn the power down to comply with the 12 fpe rule there, but that would deliver 35 or 40 shots. What do you conside practical? If fits the bill here.

    Are we, perhaps, up against a NIH issue?

    While I haven't hunted with mine (I use other guns), a friend borrowed it for a ground squirrel hunt. I watched an 85 yard hit one day, and a 115 yard one the next. Marc is a good shot (of course) but one needs a good rifle to do that kind of shooting. IMO not bad for a $200 rifle with a $50 scope. And a borrowed gun (two days at the range first) to boot.

    As to coming with a pump or not, given the US price is about $200 and the UK price is the same number of pounds, considering the somewhat large protective tarrif there, I strongly doubt it does.

    Not real pretty to some, it is a feature packed rugged gun delivering very good performance at a modest cost. Or at least has proven so here.

    Everyone is waiting on the new Marauder right now, of course. It offers to add the features American shooters are looking for (quiet from the factory, mag fed repeater) along with a more traditonal stock at what is still felt to be 'a fair price' here.

    Doug Owen
     
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    cheap but cheerefull not my type of gun
     
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    don't get me wrong , the gun as a pcp sounds a bargain in the US and if I lived there I would have one.

    all I was saying is in the UK it is sold without a pump for about £230 so not the jaw dropping bargain it is in the US .. still flaming cheap and worth considering .. although too close in price (UK) to the AA s200 (£310) to be considered by me. Still if they do start selling with pump at those prices I will buy one.

    The dual fuel "for me " is not practical.
     
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