Decoying Woodies?

[andyhawkx3]

What was he said, try using a hawk to deter pigeons...

[greg]

Well, how do you interpret it?

If you the mean baiting, i thought you was saying earlier on that it was illegal, then in your last post you say COULD BE UNLAWFULL. not sure what side you are on.
and about jackos post, who areyou to imply he's lying. it's wrong to do so unless you have proof of the matter . there is no reason to doubt what he says and i cant see a reason for him to do so.
Anyway what has been the longest post.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Wow, this thread has surely gone on a tangent

[andyhawkx3]

If you the mean baiting, i thought you was saying earlier on that it was illegal, then in your last post you say COULD BE UNLAWFULL. not sure what side you are on.
and about jackos post, who areyou to imply he's lying. it's wrong to do so unless you have proof of the matter . there is no reason to doubt what he says and i cant see a reason for him to do so.
Anyway what has been the longest post.

To bait any birds or animals in to a area, and said birds or animals is doing no harm/damage to crops or property, in order to shoot hit is immoral and illegal in my mind.

We air-gunners only have, on the general licence permission to kill proven PEST animals.

Our sport, is under threat at this very moment in time ...think about this in your own minds what is right, or wrong.

[Poacher]

If you the mean baiting, i thought you was saying earlier on that it was illegal, then in your last post you say COULD BE UNLAWFULL. not sure what side you are on.
and about jackos post, who areyou to imply he's lying. it's wrong to do so unless you have proof of the matter . there is no reason to doubt what he says and i cant see a reason for him to do so.
Anyway what has been the longest post.

Baiting wood pigeons with food is unlawful in this country for reasons stated. However he claims that the article wasn't based in this country. He doesn't say what country he took his photographs in and therefore it could or could not be unlawful in that country depending on the law of the land.

[D4V1D]

Anyone remember the bloke, that got prosecuted, a few years ago for shooting a pigeon, it was talked about on this forum

I'd like to read about this bloke, was it on this forum.

Hello Fellow air gunners I am new to this forum and would like to introduce myself.
My name is Steve Price.

I run security courses. survival courses, Field craft and Airgun courses. And self-defence, and control & restraint courses.


I made my DVDS and wrote my articles to pass on some of my knowledge and skills to others.
I am a free lance writer and I have had articles published in the air gunner and bush craft magazine.
When I write an article or make a DVD it is written in the concept in mind of a survival situation.

My articles, you tube clips, and DVDs are meant to be seen or read world wide.

Pigeons are an agricultural pest it states.
A SAFE and RESPONSIBLE Air gunner can be an asset to Farmers and Game keepers.
REMEMBER
ALWAYS COMPLY WITH AIRGUN HUNTING LAWS AND REGULATIONS.
AND HAVE SHOOTING INSURANCE.
KEEP IT LEGAL.
KEEP IT SAFE.


The pigeons in the pool article where legally shot at a different location.
They where placed in location as stage props to enhance the survival message in the article.
Also the pigeons shot in the you tube clip baiting queries are all shot legally at a different times you will see no pigeon and bread bait together in any frame.

Now I can see all sides of this debate and will try to help as much as I can.
This debate was started because an airgun member asked for advice on how to get pigeons in close.
And then the idea of a bird table and baiting was advised.
And my name and the Air gunner mag was mentioned.
I am not employed by the Airgunner.
And it is my opinion that the guys at air gunner work very hard to keep our sport alive and bring you different and interesting air gunning stories.

So if you hunt in the uk then don’t bait pigeons.
Modern day airgun hunting legislation is a minefield of legality and like my articles its interpretations can be hard to understand.

REMEMBER KEEP IT SAFE KEEP IT LEGAL.
Best regards.
STEVE PRICE

Well I read the article and I didn't get the impression that you shouldn't bait for pigeon at any point in the whole article. So I checked another issue Air gunner March 07 "Cold fingures"and I'll quote some of it " Crows and magpies will also be scavenging for free meals and an imitation bird placed over a dead rabbit or squirrel can really pull them in. Bread can also be a good bait to use with crow decoys - especially if the birds are use to raiding nearby bird tables".

Steve, I have read, re-read and read again your post, and I still haven't a flipping clue what you are on about.

Are you saying that you didn't publish an article promoting the use of food bait to shoot wood pigeons. A simple yes or no would suffice.

Looks like David, as put the cat amok's the pigeons there (No pun intended)..and David, if 'harsh' is being straight and speaking my mind, then so be it ....

Sorry if I said you were Harsh, but I wanted to talk about this confusing topic. I don't think many people read though the Licences we have to abide by. and a miss quoted article gives an easy excuse to shoot in an unlawful way

The W&C Act gives all birds the same protection. You cannot decoy or bait any bird. BUT The General Licence gives exemptions to that.
Woodies in your garden would not normally be deemed to be responsible for serious damage to crops, and luring them into your garden to be shot would also breach the second part in relation to trying other methods to deter them.

Squirrels are responsible for damage to trees and crops and also can be controlled to protect wild birds. You can bait them in order to control them anywhere that you have authority to do so.

Corvids can be controlled to protect bird species and again decoying or baiting is permitted if you have authority.

Rats and feral pigeons can be baited to preserve health and prevent the spread of diseases if you have authority. Feral pigeons are the only birds that you can legally lamp.

I think that the first thing people should do is have a read of what is lawful and unlawful prey and the correct manner in which it can be hunted.
I have only brought a small number of air rifle magazines, and bait is mentioned too many times. I think that they should run an article of what the correct rules are. but I think this will never happen.
Happy hunting and but remember it's you pulling the trigger and so it will be you thats gets pulled by the Rossers. and theirs always someone watching nowadays.

[andyhawkx3]

DAVID ..
Originally Posted by andyhawkx3
Anyone remember the bloke, that got prosecuted, a few years ago for shooting a pigeon, it was talked about on this forum

I'd like to read about this bloke, was it on this forum.

By all means read it, check through my posts ...Think I have spent enough time on this thread already, dont you

[D4V1D]

Originally Posted by andyhawkx3
Anyone remember the bloke, that got prosecuted, a few years ago for shooting a pigeon, it was talked about on this forum

I'd like to read about this bloke, was it on this forum.

By all means read it, check through my posts ...Think I have spent enough time on this thread already, dont you

OK will do, so Is it an older one that you have quoted on?. Feel free to leave this thread alone if you feel that you have spent to much time on it .

[andyhawkx3]

OK will do, so Is it an older one that you have quoted on?. Feel free to leave this thread alone if you feel that you have spent to much time on it .

Thank you

[Spock]

but now even decoying is looking like a grey area

I agree Ian, infact I'm beginning to think that everything is a 'grey area' these days.

Ah well, at least we're European now eh?