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Any Hawk expert's?

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by kermitboy1, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    Can someone tell me if this is indeed a Goshawk. It was in the hedge as i was on the way to one of my permissions. Much smaller than a Buzzard, and the wrong colour. Bigger than a Kestrel. Really hope my identification is correct as i have never seen one as yet.
    KB1. View attachment 155708
     
  2. dave bennett

    dave bennett Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Monmouth s/wales
    gos to me bud
     
  3. milek

    milek Honorary Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    How much bigger than the Kestrel? twice the size or half as big again.
     
  4. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    Its a crap picture. I know i could have done better had my dog not spooked it. Lovely looking bird. If indeed it is, then i have had a blinding week as i also caught sight of five Waxwing in a hedge whilst on route to the same permission. Been waiting so many years to spy some of them. KB1
     
  5. landymick

    landymick Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Sheffield
    Not clear enough, could be a female Sparrowhawk.
     
  6. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    I would say half as big again. I have taken Peregrines hit by aircraft off the airfield, and i would say this bird was the same length but much more slight in size.

    KB1
     
  7. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    No way, far to long in size. Have seen many of those.

    KB1
     
  8. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    I must have been within six feet of this bird as i took the picture, just to give you and idea. It just froze. KB1
     
  9. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    Its the black tip on the bill and the extreme grey plumage that has really got me hoping it is what i think it is. KB1
     
  10. shauny

    shauny Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Alltwen
    looks like a male gos. female much darker,and scaling off the ivy leaves,too big for a male sparrowhawk. they are tiny.its prob escaped.
    only 2 birds of prey that will revert back to wild,even if hand reared ,are the gos and sparrow hawks.they usually like dense evergreen areas to
    live and hunt,so seeing one in a farmland situ is a bit unusual,unless its escaped .
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2017
  11. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    Thats great, the very fact that i have never seen a hawk like this makes me really think it could be. The habitat was spot on. KB1
     
  12. shauny

    shauny Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Alltwen
    op mentioned dark grey plumage,so male.females are a much darker brown.
     
  13. milek

    milek Honorary Member

    Location:
    Birmingham
    Female Gos is the size of a buzzard so that's ruled out. Male Gos still twice the size of a kestrel but that underside barring does say gos to me. The orange eye of the gos Vs the yellow of the Spar is a good indicator but that's not obvious from the pic. In flight there's no comparison. Very lucky to get within that distance if it is a gos.
     
  14. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    I couldn't believe my luck, just gutted the dog spooked it. like you say if the eye was in shot it would help. And if i had got sight of the feet to. Still, me thinks i am going to count it as one. What a great spot. KB1
     
  15. hairyarms

    hairyarms Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Stourbridge
    At the farm I shoot at I often see a Buzzard and it is usually being mobbed or harassed by the crows and magpies but I have seen a hawk fly across the field and the magpies and crows are scared stiff of it and just fly off it is quite a greyish colour and bigger than a Sparrowhawk I always wondered if this was a Goshawk?
     
  16. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    It looked like your picture on your forum membership page. Lol. Love it.

    KB1
     
  17. hairyarms

    hairyarms Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Stourbridge
    Yes your right mate I never noticed that Lol! Nice picture btw:up:
     
  18. Alex.B

    Alex.B Beeroligist

    Location:
    Louth
    Did it have any rings or jesses ? Might be worth a call to I.B.R
     
  19. shauny

    shauny Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Alltwen
    never get it back.be as wild as hell after a day or so.
     
  20. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

    Location:
    Essex
    He does have a point mind, that could have been the reason why it sat so still and i was able to get within such close proximity. Never thought of that.

    KB1
     

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